▶ 0:09:28e the committee will please come to order uh Quorum is present the chair is authorized to declare a recess at any time without objection the chair May postpone further proceedings today on the question of approving any measure or matter or adopting an amendment on which a recorded Vote or the Ys and nays are ordered the committee will continue to use the electronic system for recorded votes on amendments and passage of the bills before
▶ 0:09:58the committee of course should any technical issues arise which I do not anticipate we will immediately transition to traditional roll call votes any procedural or motion related votes during today's markup will be dispensed with by a traditional roll call vote I want to welcome everyone to the organizational meeting of the committee on oversight and government reform this Congress the committee will continue its important work safeguarding
▶ 0:10:28tax PA dollars from waste fraud abuse and mismanagement ensuring the federal bureaucracy is transparent and accountable to the American people and making sure the federal government is working efficiently for the American people before we begin our meeting to adopt the committee rules for the 119th Congress I'd like to welcome all our new and returning members to the committee I look forward to working with uh each member on both sides of the aisle of of uh this
▶ 0:10:59committee during this Congress the new members on the Republican side are Eli crane from Arizona Brian Jack from Georgia John Maguire of Virginia and Brandon Gil of Texas want to welcome you all uh we're glad you are here and we look forward to working with you to protect uh American taxpayer dollars I'd also like to congratulate ranking member Jerry Conley on his appointment to ser
▶ 0:11:29as the ranking member of this Congress a significant upgrade I might uh add we're really happy to to have you here uh look forward to working with you on several issues and we have a great uh track record I I think you would say of working together on on legislation I've said to many people that uh you're a member of great substance uh Great Character someone that I believe wants to govern and uh wants to pass good government legislation so uh look forward to to working
▶ 0:12:00with you uh with that I'm going to yield to the ranking member to introduce his new members I thank I thank the chair uh for his kind remarks though I will note he did support my opponent when I ran for this job I think my endorsement was more damaging than uh Liz Cheney's endorsement I I used it to a fairly well Mr chairman um I want to join you in welcoming our returning and our incredible new members uh to the committee on both
▶ 0:12:30sides of the aisle and work look forward to trying to work closely with you uh in this next Congress this committee has the most important mandate in the House of Representatives from my point of view to ensure a transparent government that is fully accountable to the American people we take seriously this Duty and are committed to promoting a government an economy and a shared National purpose that work for all of the American people our nation is facing deep political division trust in govern is low
▶ 0:13:00the economy is not delivering for all hardworking people who should be able to afford a home and provide for their families and the American Social compact a shared belief in fairness opportunity and mutual responsibility has frayed leaving too many feeling left behind and disconnected we have an opportunity to work together to prove to the public that this government serves them first and foremost and that the cards are not stacked against them as the committee organized
▶ 0:13:31at the start of the 117th Congress M uh chairman coma you acknowledged that the chair of the committee is historically reluctant to send serious inquiries to an executive branch comprised of the same party following that mold would do a grave disservice to the American people who demand that their tax dollars be spent wisely and effectively unquote Mr chairman I urge you to approach the incoming Administration with the same rigorous approach to that accountability you discussed back then throughout
▶ 0:14:01my time in this committee I've been a staunch advocate for improving the federal government to ensure that it responds to the needs of our constituents whether through improved and expanded use of modern Technologies the reduction of waste and fraud more efficient acquisition processes and so much more we can create a more responsive and accessible government and find political common ground but a responsive government is Never Enough we have much work to do to ensure that the federal government is also
▶ 0:14:31accountable to do this we must make clear that the entire federal government from the president on down is subject to the rule of law we must acknowledge where we have not met that standard and worked together to restore the basic guard reals envisioned by the founders of our Republic and we must continue to advance the rights and Liberties of the American people because the truly effective and responsive democratic government must always protect individual rights it would be easy to say reform
▶ 0:15:01is too hard things are too broken change is too slow why not just give up and scrap what doesn't work this committee doesn't have that luxury again the American people are depending on us to deliver on our promises for a government an economy and a shared National purpose that works for them I don't believe any of us would be here today if we didn't think that we could accomplish that the hard work of this committee as it has before I hope the committee can work together to set aside partisan
▶ 0:15:31politics to deliver fact-based reason results for the public we serve and I urge my colleagues on both sides of the AL to consult early and often on letters excuse me hearings Witnesses subpoenas and legislation we may not and we know we won't always agree but we must Endeavor to always remain respectful and reasonable and I hope that will be the new standard of this committee on both sides of the aisle as a subcommittee chairman
▶ 0:16:01and ranking member it's always been my goal to encourage a respectful exchange of ideas vigorous but respectful and I will continue to promote that approach and that level of Civility as the ranking member of this full committee I ask my colleagues to approach all of our work in the same way now on to business the task of our meeting today is to establish rules for this committee for the 119th Congress these rules will will serve as the architecture for the committee to operate over the next
▶ 0:16:32two years I believe that's why it's critical these rules not only empower the committee to act effectively and efficiently but to protect minority rights to further those goals committee Democrats will offer a handful of what I think are reasonable Common Sense amendments for consideration excuse me Mr chairman you and I have already spoken uh a couple of times and I appreciate commitment you've made to work together as much as possible again I welcome everyone to the committee and look forward to our deliberation
▶ 0:17:02thank I want to thank the ranking member and again I look forward to to working with you and I think there are a lot of areas where we can find Common Ground even in the last Congress we found common ground on many uh issues related to cyber security information technology as well as our P3 PBM hearings and and investigation so uh look forward to this Congress before we move to consideration of the committee rules uh want to mention a few things that rules package before you is substantially the same
▶ 0:17:32as last congress with only a few changes and I want to just mention those those uh changes first I want to highlight rule six which outlines our new subcommittees and their jurisdictions through these subcommittees we will once again focus on the priorities of the American people second we are including language in rule five to accommodate the electronic voting that this committee adopted last Congress and I don't think anyone complain laed about that it it uh reduced the time of our markups at least an
▶ 0:18:02hour lastly rule 15j contains changes regarding the transcription of witness uh I was going to allow I would like before we get into the Committee hearing I was going to yield back to representative Conley to see if he wanted to introduce your new members can you you have that I do um and while he's looking that up I want to welcome welcome the the new Democrats to the most high-profile Committee in Congress
▶ 0:18:33you all uh are hit the ground running so repres con so uh let's see we have uh new members Emily Randall suas San from my corner of the world in Virginia welcome to us Yasmin Ansari from Arizona uh Wesley Bell from Missouri Latifa Simon from California and Dave Min from California welcome
▶ 0:19:27so okay we'll begin the uh the debate uh on any amendments to committee rules does any member seek recognition chair recognizes ranking member connley Mr chairman I have an amendment at the desk the clerk will distribute the amendment to all members does everyone have a copy of the amendment the clerk will designate the amendment an amendment to the rules of the committee
▶ 0:19:57on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress is offered by Mr Connelly of Virginia without objection the amendment is considered as readed I reserve app point of order the gentleman the ranking members recognized for five minutes to explain his Amendment thank you Mr chairman the committee's proposed rules are silent on whether or not the chair consults with the ranking member and provides A draft copy of a proposed subpoena in advance of the one being issued this amendment would simply require that at least 24 hours in advance of authorizing
▶ 0:20:27and issuing a subpoena the chair would consult with the ranking member and provide A draft copy of the proposed subpoena this is similar to the rule adopted by the Judiciary Committee during the 118th Congress the ranking member was not consulted or not notified of a single subpoena out of more than 50 that were issued the practice followed last Congress excuse me was a significant departure from the president set by former Democratic chairman Cummings and Maloney in the
▶ 0:20:57116th 117th congresses both democratic chairs consistently provided the ranking member with 48 hours notice and a copy of the Cena before it was issued my amendment is also similar in nature to the one uh that you Mr chairman offered at the organizational meeting at the start of 117th under a democratic majority at time at that time you said I quote The subpoena is a powerful tool and that notice and consultation of Common Sense
▶ 0:21:27measures that the majority should afford the minority to the fullest extent possible I strongly agree with those sentiments that you expressed in the 117th Congress I'd also be remiss if I didn't give proper recognition to the source of the amendment that I propose my amendment is modeled off language that chairman Jim Jordan of the house Judiciary Committee has included in his committee rules for this Congress on the Judiciary Committee returning to a practice of proper notice on the issuance of subpoenas
▶ 0:21:57would lend further credibility to the reputation of this committee and take away from the harmful practice of issuing secret subpoenas in the spirit of cooperation and collegiality I think we should return to this committee's prior presedent we can't allow the oversight committee's rules and practices to become a race to the bottom the Democratic members of the committee and the American public I think both deserve better I urge members to support the simple Common Sense Amendment which has been adopted on the Judiciary Committee and I Y back
▶ 0:22:28the recom M yields back I'll now recognize myself for 5 minutes and uh I must say I sympathetic to that request uh many of you will remember I was a ranking member for two years with the Democrat majority and I did offer the exact same amendment that the ranking member just presented today and I just so happened to have a roll call from the 117th Congress and lo behal Mr Conley voted against
▶ 0:22:58the amendment that he offered today Mr chairman might I just point out actually it was not the same Amendment you are what your language would have required a vote we're not doing that today well at at any rate as we've discussed uh we're going to communicate I think we're going to have a a a very good working relationship like chairman Cummings and and Mark Mark metas and and Jim Jordan had I feel like uh as we've discussed jce
▶ 0:23:28Congressional subpoena is a powerful tool which should be used only in appropriate circumstances I have vowed to use this power responsibly and only when necessary document subpoenas must be issued after I've exhausted reasonable efforts to obtain voluntary compliance with requests for information critical to this committee's work it would be very clear to committee members and to the ranking member when I need to issue a subpoena to ensure that the committee has the information it needs to conduct oversight investigations
▶ 0:23:59and hold wrongdoers accountable similar amendments were proposed by past Congress and and we we mentioned that uh unfortunately when uh the last time the Democrats were the majority and the Republicans had the same request as I noted earlier uh the Democrats voted that Amendment down uh I do not see any reason why the rules should change now but to be clear I'm not opposed to providing reasonable notices of subpoenas as a matter of practice and we'll continue
▶ 0:24:29to work with the ranking member uh to ensure the minority is appropriately informed and I I must say that in the last three weeks or however long it's been since uh representative connley was elected to be ranking member I think the dialogue with our staffs the majority staff and minority staff has been excellent It's been significantly better than it has been in the past and I I think we have a very bright future to to work together but uh on this amendment Mr Reg member I uh oppose this amendment and I
▶ 0:24:59urge my colleagues to vote against it do do any members wish to seek recognition any other members Mr chairman yes Mr L as I recall it uh your your Amendment uh required a vote on on The subpoena and Mr de Conley's uh amendment is dominous here and that is just you you need to not only is it wable if if circumstances in your determination are require it but uh but also
▶ 0:25:30uh this is mere notice there's no vote that that the minority is claiming here uh I think it's it is a really Dem Minimus obligation on the part of of the chair just to let Mr Conley know uh of a subpoena being issued would my friend yield I would yield I thank my friend I he's correct the substantial difference between the roll call vote my friend the chairman cited and what we're discussing here today is quite substantial it would have required
▶ 0:26:00a vote a vote to approve a subpoena uh we're not seeking that because our hope is that someday the worm turns and we're not going to necessarily give away the power of subpoena when we're in the majority and we don't expect this majority to do it either however what we are asking for is a reasonable standard of consultation Advanced consultation so we are not surprised or reading about a subpoena that may be very consequential and very controversial or not
▶ 0:26:30um you know we believe that in the work of the committee as was the tradition I can my predecessor Tom Davis who's coming to uh testify tomorrow on a hearing before this committee and uh and the then uh chairman of this committee uh Henry Waxman uh actually had a motus fend where they agreed uh before they issued a subpoena we're simply asking for advanced notice and consultation no restriction on the ability of the chairman
▶ 0:27:01to issue The subpoena I think that's a fairly reasonable standard and I thank my friend from Massachusetts for clarifying and I yeld back to him I thank the gentleman it just very briefly and again Mr Mr Conley's amendment allows that the chair May wave this requirement in the event of an emergency that does not reasonably allow for advanced notice uh so I think it it uh it bends over backwards
▶ 0:27:31trying to respect the prerogative of the chair and with that I yield back gentleman y back and I I might add that just to correct the the amendment that uh that we offered didn't require a vote unless the ranking member objected to this subin I think that's the way the language was is that correct Mr K so just wanted just wanted to correct that and again uh I can tell you we will work with the ranking member and our staffs will be in constant
▶ 0:28:01communication on these subpoenas uh honestly and I've said this to the Press so this isn't uh any groundbreaking news we had issues with you know whenever we issue a subpoena for the Freshman whenever subpoena is issued the the minority gets gets a copy when the subpoena is issued whenever subpoena documents come in both sides get the documents at the same time and there were there were lots of of issues with you know sometimes we would preferred some
▶ 0:28:31of the subpoenas didn't make the Press but they were leaked to the press and you know we never know who the leakers were I I had a strong sneaky suspicion that the leaker was the the former occupant of the chair to my right but uh but I don't have any evidence of that so at the end of the day I do think that we'll work together I give you my pledge to work with you on the subpoenas uh but again I oppose this legislation just like the members who were here the last time and uh there were at
▶ 0:29:01least five that voted against my Amendment four years ago when when we offered that so uh do any other members seek recognition on the Conley Amendment okay uh the question now is on the amendment offered by the ranking member Mr connley from Virginia all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose signify by saying no no no Mr chairman
▶ 0:29:32I I would ask for a recorded V all right a further a recorded vote is order is previously announced further proceedings on the question will be postponed and just so the Freshman know we will vote electronically at after all the amendments are debated we'll vote electronically and it'll be real real so uh do any other members seek recognition Mr chairman the chair recognize Mr infu from Maryland Mr chairman I have an amendment at the desk the clerk will distribute the amendment to all the
▶ 0:30:03members do all members have a copy of the inum amendment the clerk will designate the amendment an amendment to the rules of the committee on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress is offered by Mr mum of Maryland without objection the amendment is considered as read I reserve a point of order the gentleman from Maryland is recognized for five minutes to explain his Amendment thank you Mr chairman and ranking member this amend Amendment uh I believe strongly helps the oversight committee maintain the order
▶ 0:30:34reasonableness and intellectual honesty for which we have been known for many many years as a committee for both in the Congress and more broadly in the minds of many of the American people specifically my Amendment would preserve the jurisdictional authority of the subcommittee on government operations and federal Workforce in the current Congress from what it was in the previous Congress by merging the government operations subcommittee and the newly fashioned delivering
▶ 0:31:04on government efficiency subcomittee in the 119th Congress as an initial matter Mr chairman I call our attention to the fact that this committee operated in the 118th Congress also with five subcommittees yet the proposed rules before us today would expand that number to seven subcommittees in an age where government efficiency is the Mantra it appears that we're doing exactly what we say the federal government should not do growing in size and creating
▶ 0:31:34unnecessary overlapping bureaucracy as a point of personal privilege Mr chairman I served as ranking member on the government operations and federal Workforce subcommittee in the previous Congress and thanks to a very healthy working relationship with subcommittee chairman the distinguished gentleman uh from Texas Mr sessions we were together able to repeatedly go after the bad guys the swindlers the fraud stores and the crooks and in the process analyze many of the underlying
▶ 0:32:04causes for improper payments in federal government programs that were draining American citizens of hundreds of millions of dollars and depriving many of our poor citizens from some of the basic things they need because often times the money had been taken out swindled and stolen likewise we were able to address backlogs and delays at Federal AG agencies including within the Department of Defense and we've had a working healthy working relationship with a number of
▶ 0:32:35Inspector generals who were part and parcel of the work of that committee and very much responsible for not only finding the bad guys but also moving toward conviction of of many of them so forgive me if I find it not genuine to pretend that the pursuit of government efficiency is new we've been doing that and we've been doing it year after year likewise forgive me if I find it not genuine also to divest the subcommittee on government operations and federal Workforce of all of its J
▶ 0:33:05jurisdictional rights and when I say all I mean some of the most important ones particularly the oversight of federal uh employees Mr chairman and ranking member I believe each one of us know that on both sides of the AIS in our heart of hearts American campaigns and American elections are in Peril because of money I would offer also that our government is imp Peril but because of money but money going the wrong way from where it's supposed to go uh to people who have devised all sorts of schemes
▶ 0:33:35to get around that and who are making fortunes off of money intended to help the American public so I just believe that this situation we have really calls for the merger of these committees not the separation of them and as I said before not the the growth from 5 until 7 so I would urge members of the committee to consider that consider the work that we've been doing in that subcommittee to consider the fact that these two committees
▶ 0:34:05should have uh joint oversight and be combined and I would urge its passes passage and Neel back without objection uh Mr chair to you and to the ranking member for any additional or concluding remarks thank you gentlemen uh yields back I'll recognize myself for five minutes and and I agree with what uh you said Mr infu the great work that chairman sessions and you did on the government Ops committee uh there's not too
▶ 0:34:36finer members of this committee than uh than you two uh we're going to be very busy this Congress and I think that the difference in this Congress and last Congress is that uh I hope we have an Administration that's more forthcoming that is more transparent that is more willing to uh provide us documents receipts uh and any type of information we need to do our job to make government more efficient uh and if that's the case
▶ 0:35:06we're going to be uh using a lot of subcommittees to do a lot of work uh we believe that uh if you look at the the current level of bureaucracy the current level of spending the current level of the lack of efficiency from what we're going to be talking about tomorrow our hearing of government employees not coming to work I think that uh you know we've got a lot of work to do the government operations subcommittee will still
▶ 0:35:36be uh the top subcommittee on this on this committee but we're going to have uh two additional subcommittees as well because we believe there's going to be a huge portfolio of oversight for us to conduct this session and uh we want to have as many members of this committee uh participating and working to try to achieve our goal of of making government more efficient and you mentioned something that that I think this committee did a great work chairman sessions and and your work improper
▶ 0:36:07payments uh we want to really uh focus on that and hopefully we can come up with some solutions and get some clawbacks on these improper payments so uh I I am confident the government operation subcommittee is going to be busier than ever with chairman sessions and uh we'll uh we'll have two additional subcommittees that will have a a full platter as well with that I'll conclude my remarks chair recognizes ranking member thank thank you
▶ 0:36:37Mr chairman and I enthusiastically support the amendment offered by Mr maumi of Maryland I believe that in this reorganization uh the rules we're considering today we are gutting the primary jurisdiction of the government operations committee and devolving a lot of it to this new subcommittee to me the logic is why not merge the two as Mr maumi is proposing and get on with the business of that transparency you talk about
▶ 0:37:08I I sure hope the chairman is right that we're going to be um ushering in a world of accountability and transparency with the second Trump however uh early signs are not encouraging the world's richest man don't donated $277 million a quarter of a billion dollar to president-elect Trump and Congressional Republicans just last year
▶ 0:37:38in return he's getting among other things I'm sure his own entity to gut the federal government of its ability to work for the people who need it what could go wrong remember he talked about cutting $2 trillion doll what could go wrong with handing the Reigns of the federal government to a billionaire oligarch who sees no use for government except for his own purposes in the first place he doesn't rely and nor do his cronies on Social Security checks when they retire
▶ 0:38:09and they have no problem cutting Social Security as a result they do not have to worry about a spouse losing his or her job or the family needing to go in food stamps so they can take uh so they can take nutritional uh support from a federal government that's so important to them they don't know those oligarchs what the anxiety is of a family farmer who has a drought or hail storm cutting crop insurance is no skin off their backs I
▶ 0:38:39think holding people accountable is of absolutely noteworthy goal I think we can start with the dro process and Mr ramaswami and Mr Elon Musk I yield back gentlemen yields back chair reconize Miss Green from Georgia Thank you Mr chair chairman um I would also like to commend uh chair chairman sessions for the good work that he's done on government Ops I think that's been great however our current state of affairs is we
▶ 0:39:09are $ 36 trillion do in debt Congress cannot have enough committees on oversight to look at cutting the ridiculous amount of spending waste Fraud and Abuse from the federal government um so I'm very grateful for the opportunity to chair the subcommittee on Doge um also I don't think that we should be shaming people for success in this country as we're hearing uh from the ranking member today uh
▶ 0:39:39you know success is something every single American strives for and we want to do everything we can to make sure that Americans can be successful and in doing so cutting the ridiculous amount of spending that has carried on for decades here in Washington DC is one of the most important steps that we can take as members of Congress in ensuring that the American people are successful and doing that we can get them and hopefully dig them out of this
▶ 0:40:09grave of debt which is $36 trillion uh thank you Mr chairman I yield back you let yield back any me Mr Frost from Florida thank you uh Mr chair you know I I just want to point out you know we just heard someone say that we can't have enough committees to look into government official but if you know anything about efficiency you can have too many committees doing the same exact thing it's almost as inefficient as having two co-directors of a fake Department of government efficiency and so
▶ 0:40:40if we want to be serious about this which I'm very skeptical that that folks are um I agree with this amendment on combining these committees subcommittees that would essentially do the same thing help us consolidate government resour resources and spend less which is supposedly what you care about um and so I'm in support of this amendment and I also would yield some time if he wants to my friend uh men
▶ 0:41:10yep you're recognized uh thank you Mr chair I want to associate myself with the comments of my colleague from Maryland I want to thank him for bringing this amendment forward uh look we all know that Doge was started as the original meme coin and this particular subcommittee that's being proposed feels a lot like a meme subcommittee uh we are a serious body I I'm honored to be here but um I I think we have to take the business of uh oversight and accountability seriously I think political stunts which is what this looked like uh are really not appropriate
▶ 0:41:41so I'll yield back the remainder of my time all right gentleman yields back chair recogniz Mr Bigs from Arizona thanks Mr chairman uh of course I posos this amendment it is dripping with TDS dripping with TDS this the crap that goes on uh from the other side the fact that you would uh say oh my gosh we're going to talk about uh Donald Trump and and hassle him I mean that you want
▶ 0:42:11you you talk about cooperation oh lovey doy let's unify and then you just you just spit all over a a a ra a fairly rational move which is to divide a subcommittee up to actually go after spe specific items while the other one's going after broader items and and chairman sessions did a great job $1.7 trillion of improper payments over three years hm wonder where that came from from the same guys who were criticizing
▶ 0:42:41wanting to look at Doge and more specifically Mr chairman this is what you get they want you to feel good and join their hand in hand and walk along with them while they uh they want you close enough so they can stab you into back I'm an absolute no on this I wish I wish that I felt there was some sincerity to work together but there is none it's with the GLE it's perfectly clear in the comments of the ranking
▶ 0:43:12member that we just heard now yield to chairman do any other members seek recognition chair CH recognize Miss mace oh oh miss stanbury from New Mexico yes uh Mr chairman obviously if the state of purpose of the doge subcommittee is to promote government efficiency wouldn't we also want government efficiency here in Congress I think that is what Mr mume is trying to achieve with this amendment and with that I yield the remainder of my time to him to explain
▶ 0:43:43thank I thank the gentoman for yielding um I unless I have a different set of ears to the gentleman who raised the very strong objection I don't think I ever mention the word Donald Trump or Elon Musk or anything else so I'm not over here playing games I'm too old to be playing games and I think as long as we try to conduct ourselves with some sense of dignity without being so upset that you point to the person who made the amendment with accusations
▶ 0:44:13that are untrue that's not playing J yield after I make my point yes I'll be more than happy to yield I'm just saying if we're going to have a bipartisan relationship here which is what Mr sessions and I had as we chaired and chair of that committee and came up with all of those Savings in dollars it was because we took time to recognize the Dignity of both sides and the right to disagree in a very agreeable sort of way so when you make those accusations about me sir go back and
▶ 0:44:43look at what I said in the introduction of this amendment and you will see that you were clearly off Mark and I will yield thank you yes you and Mr sessions worked together I did not make comments to you I specifically mentioned the ranking member you back Cherry recognizes uh Miss mace thank you Mr chairman um I don't think we should be taking the advice from a group of people who can't Define what a woman is you certainly can't Define what government efficiency is so let's just start right
▶ 0:45:13there Mr chairman I support uh the subcommittee the creation of the subcommittee on Doge I I wildly support margorie Taylor green as the subcommittee chairwoman and again to the party who says we don't like support women well guess what we have two women on this committee who are subcommittee chair women who carry gels and we're working for the president of the United States the president who made the first female Chief of Staff ever in the history of the United States
▶ 0:45:44um and I also want to correct the record of the ranking member earlier there's no Republican up here who has uh cut Social Security that is a lie that is a lie being pated promulgated by the left ate and eded by the mainstream media uh and all those Liars out there on social media on the left saying that is not true and when we want to talk about oligarchy we had Joe Biden we had Nancy Pelosi we had Chuck Schumer uh controlling everything
▶ 0:46:14on the hill in the capital four years and guess what they've all delivered they delivered the worst economy in history for Donald Trump they have delivered more terrorists coming across the southern border than any uh administ ministration in history um and so this subcommittee is greatly needed Mr chairman I hope that we all support it unanimously Miss green you're going to do a great job as subcommittee chairwoman I would love to be waved on anytime you let me because it's time that we stop wasting American pay taxpayers
▶ 0:46:44it is time that we stopped we stopped wasting time up here on the hill we stopped wasting time here in Congress talking about bs and someone brought up dignity earlier I would love to see dignity and respect for women up here on the hill which is why we should ban men from women spaces which is why we should ban men from the locker rooms from women's locker rooms which is why we should ban men from women's just dressing rooms I'm done with this we got to
▶ 0:47:15get back to Common Sense we got to get back to fighting and working hard for the American people and we've got to do it together so you you guys can you guys can talk all you want on the on the left side of the aisle you're not going to be successful because there was a mandate in November the most historic mandate by Donald John Trump and the American people want us to get our stuff together notice how I'm not cursing today uh they want us to get our stuff together and work for the American people and that starts
▶ 0:47:45now that can start with the Doge subcommittee that can start with every committee on the hill today if we put in the effort and the work to do it thank you Mr chairman and now you'll back good lady y back anybody chair c Miss Crockett M chair recognize Miss Crockett I'm so glad that we could finally um in that nice little propaganda commercial break uh listen I I don't know what Miss mace was talking about I thought we were talking about government efficiency and the
▶ 0:48:15last time that I checked last time that I checked this Committee in the 118th just like in 119th has been governed by the Republicans chairman is it not true that you were the chairman in the 118th you were okay so the Republicans have controlled this committee so my question is why is it that you need to create an entirely new subcommittee when you literally could go through and do whatever work it is that
▶ 0:48:45you're talking about handing over to the gentle lady who has never seemingly brought up anything about efficiency the only thing I recall from the 118th was her spending a lot of time on somebody's junk in this committee so let me be clear y'all had a chance you chose not to use it so why should the American people be convinced that now all of a sudden because you create a new committee that has been promulgated by in real oligarch you're talking about Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi
▶ 0:49:16they were actually duly elected not somebody sitting there buying Twitter and just happen to be the most the richest person in the world telling y'all what to do let me tell you something uh y'all need to find some people that actually care about their constituents and honestly whenever y'all are ready to work we on this side of the aisle have always been ready to do what is right by the American people instead what you can continue to do is go
▶ 0:49:46after the most vulnerable in our country the fact that you just sat up there and somehow figured out how to tie trans folk to your argument makes no sense to me but let me tell you something and trans people ain't going nowhere just like when the racist wanted to make sure that black people somehow were going to be dismissed in this country we ain't left either and I'll yield would you yield back I'll yield to the gentleman from Court you know I just want to say one thing and I and I hope everyone's listening because there's something one of our colleagues just said that I actually think is true it was a lot of lies but
▶ 0:50:16there's something I think is true and it's when they said that they work for Donald Trump last Congress no Democrat on this committee worked for Jo Biden we work for our constituents and we worked with Biden that right there shows why this committee and the subcommittee is being proposed has nothing to do with your constituents nothing to do with government efficiency and has to do with your boss not the people who elected you but Donald Trump and then his boss Elon Musk
▶ 0:50:47I yield back uh the next is uh Mr Cloud but before I recognize Mr okay uh Mr GH will be next before I recognize mrar I just want to make the point the the number of oversight committee staffers is the same regardless of how many subcommittees there are the the budget for the oversight committee is the same regardless of how many SubCom so it doesn't add to any cost we're just trying to do more work
▶ 0:51:17to get more to to to help make government more efficient chair recognize Mr goar from Arizona yeah to the ranking member on the subcommittee uh from Illinois um I think there's a lot of Merit to this because the the the problems are so great they're from both sides that the spending has got to stop there's there's no way we can continue on this trajectory so I think if this if this subcommittee has one Mission One mission only I think it's important for us all to call into question I think that
▶ 0:51:47they ought to be that specific because that's how big the problem is folks we have spent $12 trillion since Bill Clinton was in office on Emergency we don't have a single receipt for it folks that isn't a republican problem that's not a democratic problem it's a problem so I would hope that we would keep this Committee just to do that and I hope they come up with a great cut because I gotta tell you we got to get to some something solvy here folks our biggest debt
▶ 0:52:18is our biggest problem we got to start finding some efficiencies and so I commend uh the chairman for putting this committee and I want to see some results I really want to see some results because we can't continue as a country of our statute with this kind of death I yield back to this gentlemen you back any other member SE recognition you chair recognize Mr cloud and then Mr Fallon next thank you Mr chairman uh there's been talk about the danger of a duplicity
▶ 0:52:48uh in having two committees working on ring in federal spending and I assure you the danger of duplicity isn't in too many many many members in Congress work on finding savings for the American people uh that's almost a comical thinking uh the danger of duplicity lies squarely in the bureaucracy that is way outgrown its Authority way outgrown its mandate uh has become a Bastion of waste fraud abuse error uh and a heavy burden on the American people
▶ 0:53:19and as far as Congress goes we've gotten by for far too long somehow justifying our word on how much money we send things versus whether or not those programs and those initiatives are actually accomplishing the purpose they were sent uh to be funded with and and what the American people want and the American people have spoken very clearly on this it's not like uh the Doge effort and those ideas Were Somehow a secret thing that was hidden in the uh in the campaign season it's something president Trump talked about
▶ 0:53:49it's something many members here talked about and it's something the American people decided overwhelmingly that they wanted to see uh leading this next season in in our country's uh life and so this is something we should do it's something that the American people have asked us to do uh and frankly something that should be bipartisan uh the wayte Fraud and Abuse that have grown over time is an issue right now we are one of the National Security existential threats against our country is our fiscal responsibility right now
▶ 0:54:20with what's happening with interest rates we are looking at spending another $50 billion just in interest cost next year year that helps no one Whatever side of the aisle you're on or whatever you want to accomplish uh and and so we've got to bring our fiscal house in order uh we've got to put this country country back on fiscal footing and we've got to turn a good return a good Roi to the American people these are all the objectives of of the Doge initiative uh I applaud the chairman in
▶ 0:54:50uh setting up this committee and I look forward to uh the work and the great work that will be done on it and uh thank you chairman I yield back to the chairman whens back any other member seek recognition chair recognizes Mr Fallon from Texas oh thank you Mr chairman you know we had somebody on the other side of a condemn propaganda and then you hear people go on to say that they didn't work uh for Joe Biden they worked with Joe Biden yet they held Joe Biden's water for all those two years and many people on the other side of the aisle protected his
▶ 0:55:20son when he certainly didn't deserve any protection whatsoever and he was actually convicted uh and committed felon said he was convicted of real felonies not fairy tale made up lawfare felonies so we work for the American people we're accused just now of not working or caring for the American people either well the American people in November five million more of them voted for Republican candidates for congress than they did Democrats that is a clear mandate that the American people do not agree with that sentiment whatsoever and then you talk about Doge Know My my colleague just
▶ 0:55:50said Mr Cloud $800 billion plus has been burned and wasted on paying interest on the debt itself this is an exential threat to our country Democrats and Republicans should be joining hands on those and not criticizing with viciousness a committee that has never even met yet how dare you marjerie Taylor green what are you doing you're doing a horrible job not even having done your job yet because we didn't give you a chance to so how about being fair Arbiters and saying you know what maybe this committee could work and maybe you can save your criticism
▶ 0:56:20for when they actually meet and see how they do and how they perform that's like saying some is a terrible hit before they've ever gotten to the plate and then I guess we're going to hear for the next two years about Elon Musk every time you hear his name hateful oligarch you can just mark it down now how many times we're going to hear it the over under is about I'd say 9,000 I yeld back do any other members recognition seeing none the question is on the amendment offered by the
▶ 0:56:50gentleman from Maryland Mr infu all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppos signify by saying no no in the opinion of the chair Mr chairman Mr chairman the you Mr yeah I request a recorded vote uh recorded vote is ordered as previously announced further proceedings on the question will be postponed and I must admit I just got a message that the uh tremendous 1980s technology in this committee room does not work and we're going to have to do
▶ 0:57:20that all by Voice vote instead of the electronic but uh we'll we'll suffer through it m Mr chair yes sir just a quick point of personal sir clarification and for the record so that we're not lost on this and the record reflects that this amendment was not getting rid of any committee it was combining two committees so that they would have joint jurisdiction over finding ways to eliminate uh the debt and to eliminate the problems that we have seen so
▶ 0:57:51let's keep it for what it what it is not for what people think it is and that's why I want to get back again to the way that it was read into the record deliberately as an effort to combine not to do away with I yield back and I thank you gentl yields back for what purpose do you seek recognition Miss stanbury thank you Mr chairman I have an amendment at the desk will the clerk please report the amendment or the the clerk distribute the amendment everyone have the amendment the stanbury amendment okay the clerk will designate the amendment an amendment to the
▶ 0:58:21rules of the committee on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress is offered by Miss Danbury of New Mexico without objection the amendment is considered as read I reserve a point of order the gentle woman from New Mexico is recognized for 5 minutes to explain her Amendment all right well good afternoon everyone thank you Mr chairman ranking member to my colleagues to those of you who are new to the oversight committee welcome to the 119th Congress the fun has already begun uh today's meeting is ostensibly to discuss and
▶ 0:58:51to approve the rules for the oversight committee a simple procedural meeting the rules are printed we discuss them there's some new subcommittees being created and so the purpose of the amendment which I am offering here today is very clear and very straightforward it is for the purpose of preventing this committee its subcommittee its staff its resources and its members from being used by those with a financial interest or conflict of interest
▶ 0:59:21in front of the federal government for being used for their own means and in particular I think many Americans are extremely concerned that the new Doge effort is being led by somebody with billions of dollars of financial interests in front of the federal government we know because of reporting that came out yesterday in the New York Times that already this Doge effort which is being led of course co-led by Mr musk who is
▶ 0:59:51the richest man in the world as has been stated here today is literally already running this effort out of his private company headquarters here in Washington DC at SpaceX which has billions of dollars in front of the federal government in federal contracts this is a clear Financial conflict of interest that is governed and regulated on the executive branch and so this amendment
▶ 1:00:22would ensure that this committee as a federal resource would not be used to advance the financial interests of Mr musk or anyone else who might appear either before the Doge subcommittee or any other of our subcommittees or committees so I'm just going to read you the amendment it's very clear it's very straightforward no person with a personal financial interest impacted by the decisions of the committee or any subcommittee thereof including the newly created subcommittee on
▶ 1:00:52delivery on government efficiency shall advise the committee or its members in a paid or unpaid capacity or otherwise interact with the committee or subcommittee on any matter that would benefit that person financially or constitute a conflict of interest and that Mr chairman is the amendment and I will stand for question would would my friend yield yes I um if I could make
▶ 1:01:22a question to my friend you you talk about potential conflict with Elon Musk is it true that his company SpaceX holds about20 billion do of contracts with NASA uh Mr chairman ranking member I am not personally aware of what the total dollar amount is but it is my understanding that indeed it is tens of billions of dollars not only through SpaceX but we also know that significant other Financial interests whether it's
▶ 1:01:52regulation of our Communications Networks as well as other Transportation might I further pursue that yes he has a competitor in Boeing the Starliner and he has actually said the world doesn't need another capsule suggesting that he'd like to maybe eliminate competition is it possible that could be a conflict of interest given his position absolutely on the regulatory front the national highway safety tra traffic safety administration
▶ 1:02:23has opened five investigations into Tesla having Elon Musk as the head of uh this Doge Enterprise could lead to perhaps the suppression of those kinds of Investigations I'm speculating there's no evidence he's done that but isn't that a risk conflict absolutely so I support the general ladyes amendment uh I believe there's ample evidence of conflicts all over the place especially
▶ 1:02:53with respect to Elon Musk and I think we need to protect protect ourselves from it I yield back to my friend from New Mexico thank you Mr chairman I yield my time uh G lady yields back I'll recognize myself for a few minutes uh I'm glad uh the Democrats are or at least the general lady from New Mexico we'll see how this uh vote turns out but uh they're continuing she's continuing the Biden regime of censoring speech by limiting
▶ 1:03:23who can interact with the I stand ready to work with anyone who wants to make government better I don't care if they're a republican Democrat poor Urban rural we've got as the my friend and colleague Mr goar mentioned we have a crisis of of debt in our country and I don't know of another Committee in the House of Representatives that that is
▶ 1:03:54as serious and focused on on reducing wasteful spending as this committee that's what this committee was created to do I hope that uh we can do that and I hope that we can do that in a bipartisan manner but uh I oppose the L's Amendment it's unnecessary it undermines Americans constitutional rights to petition the government so I urge my colleagues to vote against the stanbury amendment any other members seek recognition Mr chairman do you y uh chair recognize Mr
▶ 1:04:27yeah I you know actually I'm supposed to recognize the Democrats next I'm sorry who who wants to be recognized on this you want more time we rotate for the Freshman we go back and forth I was the last speaker so now we'll say Mr Mr infu thank you Mr chairman I uh am in support of the amendment and I would yield the balance of my time to the maker of the amendment uh thank you uh Mr chairman I want to clarify this is perfectly in accordance with the existing requirements
▶ 1:04:58within the executive branch of government it is required under the executive branch that you provide Financial disclosures that if you have a clear Financial conflict of interest with business in front of the federal government and you have business in front of an agency that you are advising on one it's required that it be done in the public domain it's obvious that you have to uh recuse yourself from any Financial interests or government advising that have to do with and so this would put those same requirements
▶ 1:05:28on the legislative process there are many many Americans who can advise the federal government thousands of Americans who work in the federal government and in the private sector on government efficiency there is absolutely no reason why a billionaire who bought his way into Donald Trump's inner circle with a quarter billion dollars in campaign donations should be the person that is allowed to run a different branch of government efforts alongside our colleagues across the aisle
▶ 1:05:59who literally has tens of billions of dollars in front of the federal government and could benefit from the efforts that come before this committee I yell back ask Mr goar you know I find this very interesting you know we've got a conflict of interest everywhere you know you look at the wealth of some individuals and I'm not picking out one side or another uh you know whether it be uh people working for us people on this committee uh all the way across the board have a financial
▶ 1:06:29interest so are we even capable of doing this now let me also tell you a little bit about Mr musk what would have happened to those folks in North Carolina and Georgia and Florida that were taken back by that the Hurricanes he volunteered to starlink so we also have to have an ability to have innovators because the last thing I've seen in in in this in this body of work is that we're poor innovators we don't think outside Inside the Box we go over and over the same things
▶ 1:06:59over and over again expecting the same a different result that's Insanity folks I hope that he picks on and I'm I'm not on the committee but I hope I hope that he picks on his own platforms that we saw they admitted to being censored by this previous administration the Biden Administration forced to do that so let's not talk about you know high and mighty about being one side or another how about what we do is allow this man to do this this and then take a look now I know that the ranking member
▶ 1:07:29brought up uh Boeing well I think we we reward we look at Mr mus because he's actually taken something that's actually gone further than anything Boeing's done Boeing's been part of that problem so we need to think outside the box here I agree the gentle ladies got a point here but this this amendment is poorly written and I would vote no against it and I yield back G gentleman yields back uh they've called votes we're going to go another five or six minutes as long as we can
▶ 1:07:59and then we'll uh uh recess to go vote so any other members seek recognition uh chair recognizes Mr Men uh thank you Mr chair uh so uh when I started my career I had prosecuted Securities fraud at the SEC I later went on to become a law professor at UC Irvine where I specialize in corporate governance issues and I would just note that this type of rule essentially a rule of recusal is not seen by
▶ 1:08:29anyone as unconstitutional so I I gently dispute that claim uh this is a very prevalent rule that we see across a wide variety of areas and the principle is very simple uh when someone in the government has a financial conflict of interest uh they should remove themselves from being a decision maker uh it's not rocking science it reflects basic ethics and I would just say that I'm a little bit disappointed by this debate because I asked specifically to be on this committee uh because it is the committee responsible for oversight for ensuring accountability
▶ 1:09:00transparency ethics in our government and that's important at a time when Americans around this country overwhelmingly believe that our government and particularly this body Congress is fundamentally corrupt and self-dealing now there's a saying that the ancient Romans used to say uh Kei uh custodiet EPO custodes who watches the Watchmen and as the committee responsible for overseeing ethics for overseeing accountability uh that question is very very
▶ 1:09:30important who watches the Watchman uh this is a rule of common sense that ensures that the Watchmen are not engaged in self-dealing that we're not engaged in payto playay restoring uh trust in this institution uh so I uh thank the author for bringing this forward and I'm going to vote eye on this does the gentleman yield thank thank you and uh thank you so much repres reprentative and we're so grateful to have you and your expertise here on the committee you know I
▶ 1:10:00do find it just a little surprising shocking although I certainly nothing should be shocking to us anymore on the oversight committee for those who are Watchers of this committee but if you read the amendment it's very clear it's just intended to keep anyone any person just read it it's in front of you the text is in front of you who has a financial interest in front of the committee from financially benefit fting from their work and interaction with the committee and the fact that our colleagues are like
▶ 1:10:30fighting back against that this is just B basic ethical behavior that is what the rules of the committee are for is to make sure that we govern ourselves in a way that is ethical and in alignment with the public trust that the American people have put on us that's what this amendment is about it's good governments it's about ethics and it's about making sure that things are being done above will the general lady yield no I will yield to the I will yield to the gentle lady I I think you yielded back
▶ 1:11:01I thought you yielded back he yield it all right all right Miss Crockett I I'll recognize you but we we have called vote so uh chair recognizes Miss Crockett I I will be very uh quick I you know what the fact I I associate myself with the remarks that have already been made especially by um the gentleman from California this is what's wrong with government and the idea that we are deting whether or not just to be clear and I know that Mr gosar um you know pointed out
▶ 1:11:31the fact that he felt as if Mr musk has something to contribute this amendment does not disallow someone from being able to contribute but it would say that it may be a problem if you are receiving hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal government while at the same time arguing that we need to cut trillions of dollars from our debt it may say you know what you need to divest something that Democrats have actually been pushing for a while
▶ 1:12:01as we did believe that the now incoming president violated the imalent clause and that there were conflicts there honestly this is literally about the American people looking at us and knowing that you have no other interest except for to do what's right by this country and I don't understand what could be more patriotic than deciding that you truly want to make sure that people don't have to trust what you say
▶ 1:12:31but they can believe what you do because they know that you have no other interest that is all that it is it is the basic ethics that we are missing from this supreme court that has the lowest ratings than it's ever had because the American people feel as if they are constantly conflicted again as someone who is licensed to practice law in multiple States one of the things that we have to do is pass a separate ethics test because this should be about ethics
▶ 1:13:02why is it that only one side of the aisle seems to care about truth honor and honestly what I would consider to be the most patriotic thing that we could do which is being the yielded time has been expired there was two minutes left when Miss stanburry time has expired before uh let me say I'm going to recognize Mr Palmer be the last speaker and then we're going to recess until 5 minutes at after the last vote after the last vote we'll all come back in there and I'm again talking to
▶ 1:13:32the Freshman so I'll recognize Miss mace did you recognize for a motion or parliamentary inquiry or no I wanted to say a word okay okay we'll we'll get you when we come back uh last speaker before we reassess uh Mr Palmer from Alabama and then remember come back five minutes after the last vote thank you Mr chairman um I'm very troubled by the amendment I I think I understand the intent of the G lady and and bringing it but this violates in my opinion it violates the Constitution's right to
▶ 1:14:03redress grievances for the government because it doesn't say it says no person could be interpreted as any person and because somebody might have a government contract might be U working for a company that's involved with government work that does not deny them the right to participate in their government we're a participatory Republic and uh this I'm I'm I'm really I know what this is about this is an effort to undermine what the uh admin the incoming Administration is trying to do
▶ 1:14:33to get our debt under control get our spending under control and it's a direct shot at Mr musk whom they feel like played a a disproportionate role in the success of president-elect trump uh but we shouldn't be doing things like this uh we should respect the constitutional right of every US citizen to participate in the government governs of the country either through elections or through the opportunity to advise on issues of critical importance to our country
▶ 1:15:03so in that regard Mr chairman um I I would encourage the G lady to withdraw the amendment but I I know that's probably not likely so I am going to oppose the amendment gentleman yield just briefly for gentleman's time has expired our gentleman yields back rather pursuant to the previous order the chair declares the committee in recess uh until 5 minutes minutes after the last vote the committee stands in
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▶ 1:56:08the committee will come back to order the committee will come back to order I understand there are a few people in route but uh we're going to go back uh start back with discussion and it is now the minority side and I believe I was informed at Miss Crockett salt recognition for five minutes share recogniz Miss Crockett thank you Mr chair at this time I'd yield uh the remainder of my time to the gentle lady from New Mexico
▶ 1:56:38thank you Mr chairman ranking member Madame Crockett this is a common sense good government Amendment the entire purpose of this amendment is to bring standard ethics language anguage into the committee process to make sure that anybody anybody who is interacting with this committee does not use it or its resources for personal Prof profit it's basic ethics language it does not infringe on speech
▶ 1:57:09it does not prevent someone from appearing or advising the committee on General issues or classes of issues which are permissible under the rules and the ethics of the House of Representatives but it would prevent someone from using the committee and federal resources for personal financial gain and I want to read the text in the amendment that is really clear about this it says that folks shall ad shall not advise
▶ 1:57:39the committee or its members in a paid or unpaid capacity or otherwise interact with the committee or subcommittee on any matter that would benefit the person financially or con itute a conflict of interest this is not a violation of the Constitution or of free speech using Federal resources to benefit your own Financial interests is not protected speech unless I was trying
▶ 1:58:09to figure out while we were on break what my colleagues are referring to maybe they're referring to the citizens united case maybe they're referring to protecting the speech of campaign maybe they're referring to protecting the quar billion dollars in donations that Elon Musk made to Donald Trump in his campaign and that has given him access not only to the Inner Circle of Donald Trump's Administration but it's going to land him an office in the
▶ 1:58:39White House and pretty much unfettered access to this committee and its resources so this amendment is designed to make sure he can come here he can come testify he can talk about issues that are General issues but he cannot use this committee as a personal piggy bank to put forward an agenda that would personally profit him or others against the public interest that is what this
▶ 1:59:10amendment is about that is what we're trying to do is to make sure that people do not use this committee for personal and private gains now I'm dismayed that in the first organizing Committee of this Congress we can't even agree on the most basic ethical standards for how this committee is going to conduct itself language that appears in almost every single government agency federal state local
▶ 1:59:40tribal also in the private sector this is about protecting the public interest this is about making sure that the goals that are supposedly laid out in this rule change that creates these two new subcommittees is really about achieving government efficiency and improvements and it's about making sure that billionaires who buy their way into the inner circle of Donald Trump do not use this committee and its resources for their own financial gain and with that I yield back
▶ 2:00:10J J yields back t m Green from Georgia Thank you Mr chairman there is a lot of outrage today about my new subcommittee on Doge I want to say I'm honored thank you you see there all the talk about billionaires let's talk about George Soros who has donated hundreds of billions of dollars to Democrats Democrat packs Democrat interests that ripped open our border invaded our country have had all types of policies
▶ 2:00:41that have directly impacted Americans in the worst ways possible you know Elon Musk used to be a Democrat and I think the problem here is is you guys are really jealous and let's be brutally honest it's your policies that have run off Democrats you have run off your own donors and you ran off the voters in this last election because of the absolute failures that you did to this country so let's be let's be
▶ 2:01:11really clear in our in what you're trying to do you're attacking Elon mus because you're really jealous you are you're just really jealous and Elon Musk I want to remind you guys while Cali California is on fire he is directing his resources there with Tesla trucks and starlinks to help people and victims that are being impacted right now by the failures of the Democrat leaders in California no it's not climate change that is burning down California
▶ 2:01:41it is a failure of how to handle and and prevent these types of problems no water in the fire hydrants no water in the water reservoirs not C cleaning up the the forest floors so so let's be very clear about Democrat policies Democrat decisions that have run off so many people and let's talk about what you're trying to do is just attack someone that used to actually support your party and support your party no more but let's really talk about
▶ 2:02:11this amendment and it's it's not an attack on Elon Musk specifically as it is an attack on Elon Musk and every single taxpayer every single taxpayer in this country it says no person with a personal financial interest impacted by the decisions of the committee or any subcommittee thereof including the newly created subcommittee on delivering on government efficiency shall advise the committee or its members
▶ 2:02:41in a paid or unpaid capacity think about that so de you don't want taxpayers to have any say in what what this subcomm committee holds hearings on talks about talks about things that need to be funded or unfunded departments that need to be shut down Union employees of the federal government that need to be fired unions that need to be busted up waste Fraud and Abuse if this amendment were to pass
▶ 2:03:12this amendment would directly violate the freedom of speech of taxpayers of Americans because this amendment says that no one can have any say to committee members or or on the uh subcommittee of government efficiency this that's what this amendment says and our job and our role is to serve the taxpayers to serve the American people to protect their freedom of speech to uphold their interest
▶ 2:03:42to protect how their taxpayer dollars are used and so this is why this this committee can't even we can't consider having an Amendment like this in in our rules because we'd be violating exactly what we are here to do it's a complete waste of time and uh Mr chairman I oppose this amendment and I yield back thank you get lady yields back chair M Garcia thank you I just got to first I was that was a lot um and first I think the the people of California in the west absolutely
▶ 2:04:13deserve an apology for politicizing fires that are actually killing people right now and where people are losing their homes and the idea that somehow you want to politicize those and say that those were caused by crazy conspiracy theories I don't think anyone should take any advice on how fires are created certainly by someone that has said space lasers actually create uh forest fires uh and so um that that that that deserves an apology to the people of California um this idea that somehow Elon Musk is going to save us
▶ 2:04:43the richest person on the planet multiple times over um and they were arguing about um about what he can do for this country we're not actually bringing in people that are actually impacted by the policies of our friends on the other side of the aisle I think is quite shameful and the the gentle lady from Georgia should apologize uh any other member seek recognition Miss mace from South Carolina thank you Mr chairman on this conflict of interest uh that we have before us today
▶ 2:05:13I'm hearing about conflict of interest quote most basic ethics standards quote basic ethics resources for personal profit you making sure we're you know Financial interests are at stake Etc I just Mr chairman I find it rich that the same members of Congress who defended the Biden crime family who are making millions of dollars from international business deals while trading on public office uh are now here lecturing us today about
▶ 2:05:44conflicts of interest like they have they should just sit right back down they have no room on this issue I would love to know if they think n fcy Pelosi trading stocks is a conflict of interest so uh you know if the Biden family international business dealings you're trading off uh the vice presidency and presidency is not is a is or is not a conflict of interest I would love to know where they stand on that Mr chairman because this is ridiculous we need to work for the American people we need to get to work fast there was a mandate in November
▶ 2:06:14on November 5th to to push our country forward to get out of the worst economy in my lifetime that the left forced upon the American people they can't afford groceries they can't afford gas they can can definitely not afford child care and the education system in this country is down the tubes taxes are are hurting American families on top of it we have at least 14 million illegals in this country is probably far higher than that we can't keep count we
▶ 2:06:44don't even know where the 300,000 kids are um and so what they have done to destroy the fabric of the United States of America everything we were founded on freedom and liberty the ability to prosper to work live and retired and the greatest nation in the world they have destroyed that and it is our job to get back to the basics and quite frankly I don't think government efficiency is enough I think we're going have to go much further than that and in fact you know look at dismantling entire
▶ 2:07:14departments or even agencies because it's just the bureaucracy we have created with the this the Deep state of bureaucracy here is is hurting our country it's hurting our national security we're weaker on the world's stage our economy is going to be a national security issue in very close order I was hoping that American families would be able to refy with lower interest rates to quar on their homes and be able to afford housing doesn't look like that's going to happen because of what the Biden Harris Administration has done in the runup to president
▶ 2:07:45Trump swearing in on January 20th this is unamerican it's disgusting it's gross let's move forward let's get these votes done this afternoon let's get to work for the American people Mr chairman thank you and I yel back j i yel back any other member seek recognition chair recognize Mr Higgins from Louisiana thank you Mr chairman my colleagues can expect conflict in this committee there's going to be a lot of conflict and
▶ 2:08:15Elon Mr musk is absolutely bringing to the United States Focus we are in conflict with the big government machine that has been devouring the wealth and smashing the individual rights Liberties and freedoms of the American people whom we serve you think that's funny
▶ 2:08:46young man talk to your great grandchildren you're yet Unborn Generations that is inheriting the debt that the machine of DC has forced Upon Our Country we are 36 trillion dollars in debt that's billion were we to balance the budget and run a$1 billion Surplus it would
▶ 2:09:1736,000 years to address that debt and that's not funny and we're not playing so you can expect conflict in this committee and with men like Elon Musk coming in working with our president who my people elected you can absolutely look forward to many discussions that will cause wailing and nashing of
▶ 2:09:47teeth across this town that has crippled the future of our country with debt you should look forward to that conflict because we'll be saving a generation yet unborn of our country and that's exactly what we intend to do I yield the balance of my time to the chair thank the gentleman for yielding uh any other members SE recognition seeing none
▶ 2:10:18the question is now on the stanbury amendment offered by the gentoman from New Mexico all those in favor signify by saying I I all those opposed signify by saying no no Mr in the opinion of the chair the knows have it and the amendment is not agreed to Mr chairman I'd like to ask for a recorded v a recorded vote is ordered as previously announced further proceedings on the question will be postponed do any other members seek recognition Mr chairman chair recogniz Mr Garcia thank you Mr chairman we
▶ 2:10:48have a an amendment as well the clerk will distribute the amendment to every member I believe every member has a copy on their desk uh the clerk will designate amendment an amendment to the rules of the committee on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress is offered by Mr Garcia of California thank you thank you Mr chairman um I think we are obviously all aware as a committee that the president of the United States should serve uh the American people uh Never Their Own Financial interests yet we are facing some of the most serious
▶ 2:11:18conflicts of interests going to this Administration in the history of our country now Donald Trump and and Elon Musk who are at least appearing to essentially be co-presidents in this next few years are plotting to remake our government and our very social safety net and they could get of course we know richer in the process now this amendment will make sure that we don't Advance any legislation from this committee that enriches Donald Trump or his businesses and unfortunately as we know
▶ 2:11:48because of the work of this committee and house this legislation could not be more important because we know and we saw Donald Trump trying to enrich himself and his family in his first term now we know the committee Democrats showed that Donald Trump received payments from over 20 countries during her his first term 20 countries Donald Trump's network of businesses made it possible for anyone in the world to funnel money to him through his businesses now these countries of course included China Saudi Arabia
▶ 2:12:19and many others now we actually have because of this committee receipts and documents that prove that he received at least $7.8 million directly from foreign governments and by the way that number is much larger but of course we don't have all the documents and receipts because this committee's majority blocked us from getting all of them we also know that eight ambassadors State at president Trump's DC hotel at the time while serving in the office of the Trump Administration in clear
▶ 2:12:49violation of the Constitution the committee also found that elot BR a republican fundraiser and lobbyist spent $15,000 at Trump's DC Hotel while actually lobbying the Trump Administration later he received a pardon which we know that Donald Trump and his administration like to give out to people that donated to him and we know that that of course is a clear violation of the foreign agents registration act now we should all be concerned that this lobbying effort signifies a payto pay
▶ 2:13:19scheme that capital capitalizes on President Trump's influence and these conflicts of interests are a direct threat and a national security threat of course this is on top of the fact this committee continues to ref and refuses to investigate Jared Kushner who received $2 billion dollar with a be directly from Saudi Arabia just months after leaving the White House and has used that power to facilitate record arms deals and other prudi policies as he enters his second term this amendment is incredibly
▶ 2:13:50important so that we can ensure that Donald Trump isn't directly benefiting through his businesses by Foreign governments and other people that are interested once again this amendment would ensure that we work through this committee to ensure the president does not directly benefit I urge all of my colleagues to support this Common Sense Amendment and I yield back would my friend yield yes sir um just for some questions Garcia is it not true that when President Trump
▶ 2:14:21came was elected in 2016 the then president of the Philippines president Duarte actually named a business partner of President Trump to be a special Envoy to the United States absolutely sir and as as you all know much beyond that Donald Trump has continued uh to through through his family and through his businesses gain the influence in foreign governments and then trade them for policy proposals is it not also true Mr Garcia that a number of Gulf countries Saudi
▶ 2:14:51Arabia among them actually pointedly would stay at or rent uh rooms and facilities at the Trump then Trump Hotel downtown in order presumably to Curry favor Saudi Arabia and many other countries yes sir and did President Trump then in fact financially benefit from those transactions directly against the Constitution absolutely sir and is there a policy at GSA the government service Administration that actually would prohibit an a
▶ 2:15:21an an elected official from benefiting from a lease uh owned by or provided by GSA that is correct and was that honored in the first Trump Administration absolutely not which is why this amendment is needed I thank my friend you uh chair recognize Mr Maguire thank you Mr uh chairman you know I heard some accusation on the other side about President Trump uh being uh corrupt and I would say that they tried to put him in jail they tried to bank rupt
▶ 2:15:51him with law fair we all know the Russia gate and the perfect phone call and then of course he took a bullet for this country and of every every president in my lifetime In Our Lifetime he left office less money not more money and um he is he did more in four years than any president in my lifetime every president in my lifetime talked about a peace treaty in the Middle East and they got zero and president Trump got two and we talk about the greatest economy when record
▶ 2:16:21unemployment especially for minorities and black people and women when you have low unemployment record unemployment you have less people living on the street and you have less people dying on the street and we look at the Foreign Wars like Ukraine Russia you look at October 7th Israel we all know things those things would not have happened if president Trump were in office he is not a corrupt president he loves our country he loves the American people he loves all people and I'm excited that we are going to be able to work on oversight hold government account and help him
▶ 2:16:52put America First and not America last I yield remainder of my time gentlemen yield back uh any further members SE recogniz Mr Jack from Georgia Mr chairman I'll just add uh president Trump was one of the last or most recent presidents and one of The Shining examples of a president that did not take a salary from the day he was sworn in through the day he left office he donated a salary to a lot of incredible causes so I would urge uh the gentleman
▶ 2:17:22to withdraw this amendment I think it's um I think it's an offense to the American people that gave president Trump and House Republicans uh a mandate a clear mandate this past election and again if you want to talk about a conflict of interest when the president United States does not accept a salary I think that demonstrates the uh unique nature that he has and the connection that he has to the American people wanting to um serve them and and show that he's not in this for the money he lost money uh getting eled he's sacrificed so much there's
▶ 2:17:52no reason for this non-gain amendment I you back chair RN M stanbury thank you Mr chairman well not withstanding these beautiful love letters and campaign ads to Donald Trump uh this committee has examined a multitude of thousands of pages of evidence and receipts that show that Donald Trump did actually take foreign money through and launder through his hotels and properties and I know we got some new members on the committee but we're happy to provide that documentation to you as well but with that
▶ 2:18:22I'd like to yeld the remainder of my time to Mr Garcia thank you I think I think it's comical to say that Donald Trump didn't take a salary when he and his family benefited in the billions of dollars from pedaling influence to foreign governments this has actually been documented the receipts were presented through this committee from multiple countries and the fact that your son-in-law who was by the way advised to not serve as an Envoy by the Secretary of State at the time of Donald Trump
▶ 2:18:53could come in and make $2 billion months after leaving the White House by the Saudi government of which he by the way he has not returned any sort of investment to the country on and him being the envoy to the Middle East while he was in the White House is absolutely corrupt and the the present salary is nothing compared to what he and his family have received in the billions of dollars through their forign pedaling and corruption in the white
▶ 2:19:23house I'll yield back I actually yield to miss Crockett thank you so much um you listen if y'all really believe this I I listen I I will do this in a very diplomatic bipartisan way we are sitting in the proper committee that can do the investigation if you feel as if there is nothing to see then prove us wrong prove us wrong because the last time that I checked we were shut down as we were documents from
▶ 2:19:53his attorneys so if if you say that there's nothing there there then let's go ahead and have a hearing and an investigation and prove us show it to the American people that we don't have to be concerned that this incoming president has been paid off by the likes of people that don't like the American citizens that live in this country because last time I check he was ping around with Putin and he's loving on she Shing p i I mean like I I don't know what
▶ 2:20:23you have to hide in so in oversight let's go ahead chairman can we go ahead and get a hearing set up and an investigation just to prove us wrong because Democrats are hold on Mr chairman cuz we lying according to y'all we lying so prove us to be Liars I will sit here and I will be the first one to say I apologize so let's go ahead and do it will you do that let me ask will the lady yield a question I I will absolutely yield the question so your suggesting that we investigate Donald
▶ 2:20:54Trump yes cuz y'all saying that we ly about my question is have there ever been any other investigations of Donald Trump have there been any I mean yes there have been I mean it just seems like he's the most investigated person in the world and and look I love this new found concern for ethics by my colleagues on the other side of the aisle uh this is uh this is Rich to be honest with you especially when you were talking about uh violation of the foreign agents
▶ 2:21:24registration act I think Mr Garcia Mr Frost one mentioned and and things like that so you know I think there's uh there's a lot of uh interesting things coming that that I haven't heard over the past two years so uh look so Mr chairman is that a yes or no that y'all going to prove us wrong M Crockett there have been so many investigations of Donald Trump you have weaponized I would argue and I think the American people would agree that the the Judiciary has been
▶ 2:21:54weaponized that the man has had so many investigations Mr chair if you were the one that's conducting it we know that he trusts you to investigate him and he hasn't even been sworn in yet okay well we can wait a few more days that's only on Monday and we can get started I just want y'all to prove us wrong because I I think the American people are concerned about their tax dollars being uh flushed down the commode I think they're also concerned about foreign influence upon absolutely why wouldn't they be that
▶ 2:22:24is that is something that would fall under our purview in this committee and Mr chairman respect ma'am you weren't concerned about $27 million of foreign influence that was laundered now miss laundered we can debate on the term of laundering I don't think you understand what laundering means but no because this is Miss Miss Crockett's time and it's I will go ahead and yield to miss Stansbury then she's got 10 seconds all right well Mr chairman this is
▶ 2:22:54this is a bit absurd but uh you know it's very clear this committee did investigate Donald Trump did launder his recog and we will provide the report which you suppressed thank you uh Mr Gil CH recognize Mr Gil from Texas thank you I I find it rich that the other side of the aisle is suddenly concerned about corruption and ethics whenever President Biden just gave his son a 10-year blanket pardon for foreign influence
▶ 2:23:25pedaling and whatever else he was doing while high on whatever drugs with prostitutes I also find it rich that all of the sudden the other side has some problem with successful businessmen being in involved in politics whenever you guys are the party of George Soros of Bill and Melinda Gates of Cheryl Sandberg of McKenzie Bezos of Taylor Swift of so many other bill millionaires across the country as well as every woke weird pervert in Hollywood
▶ 2:23:55I find this disingenuous I think the reality is that the Republican Party under President Trump has a very clear mandate from voters and you guys don't like it because voters rejected everything you stand for and every policy that you've shoved down the American people's throats over the past four years whether it's open borders a failing economy raging inflation this weird woke stuff that you guys have been shoving down our
▶ 2:24:25children's throats and the voters rejected you and they welcomed our party so with that I yield my time but I I find this this conversation incredibly Rich from from the other side gentleman yieldb any F any further discussion on this seeing none the uh the question uh is on the amendment offered by Mr Garcia all those in favor signify by saying I I all those opposed
▶ 2:24:55by saying no no in the opinion the chair the NOS have it and the amendment is not you seek a recorded vote yeah please sir all right Mr Garcia uh request a recorded vote as previously announced further proceedings on the question will postponed is this five any further members seek recognition Mr chair chair recognize Mr Crockett I have an amendment at the desk so there's five with the clerk everyone has the amendment
▶ 2:25:26everyone has a Crockett Amendment on the desk with the clerk please report the amendment an amendment to the rules of the committee on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress is offered by Miss Crockett of Texas without objection the amendment is considered as read I reserve a point of order uh the gentoman is recognized for five minutes to explain her Amendment thank you Mr chair during the 118th Congress oversight Republicans Deb disbanded one of the most important sub committees in Congress the subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties and now in the 119th
▶ 2:25:56Congress the chairman and House Republicans have decided to prioritize the demands of the real president Elon Musk and his billionaire friends over the needs of the American people now we are about to approach the birthday of Martin Luther King it's tomorrow and on January 20th will be the inauguration of Donald Trump but it will also be the observation of ml KDAY and the fact
▶ 2:26:26that we have decided that in this country we are not going to honor civil rights should be something that we all take issue with considering the fact for some that don't know what civil rights are about because some people only believe that it deals with black folk let me explain civil and political rights are a class of Rights that protect individuals freedom from the infringement by governments social organizations and
▶ 2:26:57private individuals they ensure one's entitlement to participate in the civil and political life of society and the state defined another way the right to be free from discrimination the freedom to worship as we choose the right to vote for our elected representatives the protections of due process the right to privacy if any of that sounds familiar it is because these are rights that are born out of our
▶ 2:27:27constitution something that we all supposedly have sworn an oath to and we swear to not only uh we don't just swear to it we are supposed to protect those rights interestingly enough we just had the funeral of one of our beloved presidents and I caught a flight to Austin on the day of the funeral and I had the honor of sitting next to someone
▶ 2:27:57who was a little familiar with the White House that person was Lucy Baines Johnson and when I tell you that she is a wealth of information I really mean that and when we had an opportunity to about what she experienced as her father was president during a time in which honestly our country was on fire and I would argue that unfortunately our country is on fire right now when I first
▶ 2:28:27ran for office I ran for the state house and said that we were in the midst of a modern-day civil rights movement and I have not been convinced otherwise just yet but this is the daughter of the president that signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 she was also there when he signed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and to be perfectly honest without that voting rights I don't believe that I actually would have a seat in Congress and so I do believe in preserving the fact
▶ 2:28:57that everyone should be entitled to Real and True representation because I do have a section two seat as our Voting Rights Act has been decimated but one of the stories that she told me was that her father asked her about coming over to um the Congress for the signing of the bill as relates to the vote rights act now for her it was a bit inconvenient as an 18-year-old to have to leave the White House and go over to Congress
▶ 2:29:28and she asked her father why should we go over to the Congress Daddy to sign this particular Bill and she said we need to go over to the Congress because we need to pay due respect to those members of Congress that knew that voting for this bill meant that they would not be returning to Congress but they had the cour enage to do what was right for this country and make sure that everyone's voices were going to be heard the one thing
▶ 2:29:58that we could do the very small thing that we could do is have a little bit of courage and decide that we are going to reinstitute this particular subcommittee unfortunately I don't see the type of Courage that the people that served back in the 60s had coming out of some of our colleagues and so I'm asking you to do the courage courageous thing today and just Institute a subcommittee that would
▶ 2:30:28make sure that we are looking out for those protections of everyone in this country to make sure that we have real Freedom something that we all supposedly espouse to believe in and with that I will yield Mr chair G ladies times expired any members recognition Mr hiin oh miss mace was first I'm Sorry Miss BCE uh thank you Mr chairman again I don't know what's going on today I find extremely
▶ 2:30:58uh rich and offensive so uh we're talking about civil rights I'm the former ranking member on the Civil Rights subcommittee something I believe believe in civil rights and civil liberties of all Americans um and we were talking about you were infringement of individual people also quote the right to privacy of individuals coming from a party that can't Define what a woman is and won't give women the right to privacy
▶ 2:31:29you all want men with penises chicks with dicks in the bathroom with us you want women to be forced to undress in front of men in the locker room and in dressing rooms and it's a it's it's so hypocritical for you to sit here and say and and be you know screaming from the rooftops about right to privacy and civil rights when you don't respect women and you don't respect women who've been raped women who are victims of of sexual abuse and you want me
▶ 2:31:59a victim of rape a survivor of rape to go into a locker room and be forced to undress in front of a man you have to be effing kidding me so I don't want to hear about you talk about rights individual rights civil rights because you can't find the courage from the 60s to fight for women all around America fight for women like me every single woman and as a rape Survivor I shouldn't have to explain to you why women have rights and why women when we're in the bathroom
▶ 2:32:30when we're in the locker room we're in a dressing room why I don't feel safe when there is a nearby and I I the fact that we're going here and we're going to say all these things is the ripeness of hypocrisy on the hill people need to tell the truth and if we're going to talk about the rights of individuals we have to talk about it everybody has rights
▶ 2:33:00including women and at some point men are infringing on the rights of women we just had it today we just had a vote about protecting women and girls and sports and I believe it wasn't one it was two people from the Democrat Party who voted to protect women wom's rights and sports today to uh yeah so this is Mr chairman this is a deeply offensive conversation to me
▶ 2:33:31today um we want to talk about real women have freedom in this country women have the the freedom to go to a private women's only space and not see a man in it women have the right to uh to change not be Fe that somebody with their sexual perversion someone who's confused about their gender we have the right to feel safe in these spaces we have the right to
▶ 2:34:01know that we're not going to have trans people filming Us in the bathroom how many of these are taking selfies these men are taking selfies in women's spaces in the bathroom it's gross it's disgusting so if we're going to talk about civil rights let's talk about the rights of women in this country and how you are stripping them away every single day and you're doing it in your legislation you're doing in your messaging you're doing it on X you're making women feel unsafe
▶ 2:34:31in this country and you're making the opportunity for women and girls to be raped to be sexually abused in this country even greater than they've ever been so don't come over here with your attitude and talk to me about rights when you're trying to take my rights as a woman a rape Survivor away thank you Mr chairman I yield back gent yields back any member seek recognition Miss stanbury
▶ 2:35:01thank you Mr chairman I appreciate the gentle lady across the aisle demonstrating why we need civil rights um we need civil rights to protect all people especially trans Americans who are under attack right now I would like to yield the rest of my time to the gentle lady who is carrying the amendment I don't even know we we got there because I I tried to make it clear how many civil rights it doesn't just boil down to one conversation but I can see that somebody's campaign coffers really
▶ 2:35:31are struggling right now so she going to keep saying trans trans trans so that people will feel threatened and child listen I I I want y'all to tell do not call me a child I am no child even I grown years old I broken reclaiming my time you will not do I am aiming my time if you want to take it outside Mr chairman the committee is not order order order point of order point of order order order order
▶ 2:36:02order chair recognizes Miss Crockett no point of order Mr chairman State your point is it allowed in the rules for a member to incite violence against another member I mean she said she wants to take it outside with hey I have the First Amendment right too young i' like those words to be taken I believe it's against the rules that isn't the committee will suspend the the member will state the
▶ 2:36:32state the words he wishes taken down where she said that uh we can take it outside which is direct violation against the rules and citing violence against another member what rule what rule fight the rule how does that inite violence Mr chairman are if if I might point out Mr chairman there are decorum rules in the House of Representatives and the two parliamentarians are discussing this
▶ 2:37:02right now we'll we'll suspend for a
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▶ 2:39:52before we do that sir
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▶ 2:41:26all right the the chair is going to make a rule what what uh the gentle lady said was we can take this outside if you want and so that could mean we could go outside and have a cup of coffee or perhaps a beer or you know I mean we have seriously lot conversations outside so uh I'm going to rule that uh that it was uh you know just a that it's okay that it's okay
▶ 2:41:56all right and then point of inquiry or uh uh and remember this is a slippery slope you're going down cuz we have going as you know so just to just to be clear in this committee we can we can ask threaten violence on someone as long as excuse me I did not threaten violence I threatened no violence I threaten no violence VI long I threaten no violence you're making up as you go along you might want to figure this one
▶ 2:42:27out cursing today no violence Mr chairman no violence I'm going to appeal the ruling of the chair Mr chairman I point of inquiry and I apologize because I I I had a a meeting and came right down was it is it true that uh M mace was belittled by being called a child is that against our rules I would have to look up the the rules I don't know that it's specifically the rules we asked for proper I'd like have it
▶ 2:42:57stricken okay now there's Miss Crockett word stricken then there there's a motion you have a motion Mr Frost I move to appeal the ruling of the chair there's a motion to appeal the ruling of the chair uh chair recognizes Mr goar to strike words Mr chairman I move to table Mr there's a motion motion to take downward sorry there's a motion to
▶ 2:43:27uh the motion is not debatable as as uh okay the motion is not debatable all those in favor of what's okay we're going to vote on the motion to table by Mr gohart to table Mr Frost appeal the mo so the motion is not debatable as all in
▶ 2:43:57favor of Mr goar's motion to table Mr Frost's Amendment or or motion signified by saying I I I all those opposed say no no in the opinion of the chair the Mr chair ask for a recorded vote the motion is agreed to a recorded vote is ordered the clerk will call the rooll we have to do that right now clerk will call the Jordan Mr Turner
▶ 2:44:28Mr goar Mr gosar votes yes Miss Fox Mr growman yes Mr growman votes yes Mr Cloud Mr Palmer Mr Palmer votes I Mr Higgins Mr Higgins votes I
▶ 2:44:58Mr sessions Mr sessions votes I Mr Bigs Miss mace Miss mace votes I Mr Fallon I Mr Fallon votes I Mr Donald's yes Mr Donald's votes yes Mr
▶ 2:45:30Perry Mr Timmons Mr Timmons votes I Mr burett Mr burett votes I miss green I miss green votes I Miss Bower I miss bobert votes I miss Luna Mr Langworthy Mr Langworthy votes
▶ 2:46:01I Mr burles Mr Burleson votes I Mr Crane Mr Crane votes I Mr Jack I Mr Jack votes I Mr McGuire Mr Maguire votes I Mr Gil Mr Connelly nay Mr Connelly
▶ 2:46:31votes nay Miss Norton no Miss Norton votes no Mr Lynch Mr Lynch votes no Mr Krishna Mor no Mr Krishna Mory votes no Mr cona Mr mfum no Mr mfum votes no
▶ 2:47:02Miss no Miss Brown votes no Miss Stansbury no Miss Stansbury votes no Mr Garcia no Mr Garcia votes no Mr Frost no Mr Frost votes no Miss Lee Miss Lee votes no Mr
▶ 2:47:33casar Miss Crockett no Miss Crockett votes no Miss Randall no Miss Randall votes no Mr subra monan no Mr suban votes no Miss anari Miss anari votes no Mr Bell no Mr Bell votes no
▶ 2:48:03Miss Simon no Miss Simon votes no Mr Min no Mr Min votes no Mr chairman yes Mr chairman votes yes has has Mr Cloud voted Mr cloud is not recorded Mr Cloud votes yes has Mr Bigs been recorded Mr Bigs is not
▶ 2:48:36you okay I vote I Mr Bigs votes I Mr Turner has Mr Turner been recorded Mr Turner is not recorded I vote I Mr Turner votes I has Miss fox has Dr Fox been recorded Miss Fox is not recorded Miss Fox votes I have you any other member wish to be
▶ 2:49:12recorded would the clerk report the tally Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 2 the ner 17 the motion to table passes now we will uh go back to debate and I believe it was Miss Crockett with 2 minutes and 57 seconds remaining Mr chairman Mr chair I actually had more time than that but I can finish up in the two 4 chairman I have a quick Mr chairman I have a we'll give you four minutes okay thank you Mr chair Mr chairman I have a quick motion oh uh to
▶ 2:49:43chair recognize Mr Donalds uh Mr chairman I move that we move to structure debate for 15 minutes on Miss Crockett's Amendment Motion in second to uh structured debate for 15 minutes all those all those in favor signify by saying I ah any oppos no no motion passes to limit debate 15 chair
▶ 2:50:13I'd ask for a recorded vote really all right the the clerk will the RO the clerk will call the role on Mr Donald's motion to limit debate to 15 minutes to
▶ 2:50:50parliamentary parliamentary inquiry Mr chairman are we in the middle of debating this motion I don't believe it's debatable is it I it is debatable it's debatable yeah the motion to debate is already passed I apologize so the the now we're on the vote to uh the clerk's calling the vote right the recorded vote vote thank you on on Mr
▶ 2:51:20Donald's motion to limit debate 15 minutes Mr Jordan Mr Turner Mr Turner votes I Mr gosar Mr goar votes I miss Fox Miss Fox votes I Mr grothman I Mr growman votes votes I Mr
▶ 2:51:50Cloud Mr Cloud votes I Mr Palmer Mr Palmer votes I Mr Higgins Mr Higgins votes I Mr sessions Mr sessions votes I Mr Bigs Mr Bigs votes I miss mace Miss mace votes I Mr Fallon Mr Fallon votes I Mr Donalds
▶ 2:52:23Mr Donald's votes I Mr Perry Mr Timmons Mr Timmons votes I Mr burett Mr burett votes I miss green Miss green votes I miss bobbert miss Luna Langworthy Mr Langworthy votes I Mr
▶ 2:52:54burles Mr Burleson votes I Mr Crane Mr Crane votes I Mr Jack I Mr Jack votes I Mr McGuire I Mr McGuire votes I Gil Mr Connelly no Mr Connelly votes no Miss no Miss Norton votes no Mr Lynch
▶ 2:53:25Mr Lynch votes no Mr Krishna morthy Mr Krishna morthy votes no Mr cona Mr mfum no Mr mfum votes no Miss Brown no Miss Brown votes no Miss Stansbury Miss Stansbury votes no Mr Garcia Mr Garcia votes no Mr Frost no Mr Frost votes no Miss
▶ 2:53:56Lee Mr casar Miss Crockett no Miss Crockett votes no Miss Randall no Miss Randall votes no Mr subar Manion no Mr suban votes no Miss sari no Miss sari votes no no Mr Bell no Mr Bell votes no Miss Simon no Miss Simon votes no
▶ 2:54:26Mr Min no Mr Min votes no Mr chairman chairman votes yes Mr chairman yes has how has m m bobbert been recorded Miss bber is not recorded Mr chairman yes I vote I Miss BT votes I and has Mr Perry been recorded Mr Perry is not recorded Mr Perry votes I Mr Perry votes I any other members
▶ 2:54:57seek recognition to vote all right uh the clerk will report the vote tally Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 23 the nas are 16 all right the motion passes for Mr Donalds to limit debate to 15 minutes minutes Miss Crockett will get her remaining four minutes and then each side will have seven and a half additional minutes if necessary so the chair
▶ 2:55:27recognizes Miss Crockett for the remainder of her four minutes that don't count towards the limit to debate then from there on if there's further request for debate there'll be seven and a half minutes each time chair recognize M Crockett for her remaining four minutes thank you Mr chair um the final points that I was going to make um is while this amendment has to do with civil rights for whatever reason the colleague on the other side of the aisle decided to attack Democrats and pretend as if we do not look out for women
▶ 2:55:57and I want to be clear that it's Democrats that were pushing for the Equal Rights Amendment and I don't recall any Republicans supporting us having the Equal Rights Amendment I also want to make it clear that just because someone fantasizes or wants to be dramatic about the idea of someone could be a quote unquote man in a locker room or in a bathroom
▶ 2:56:28um I've yet to hear an actual testimony of someone who for whatever reason has experienced this in real time but I can tell you some real numbers and some real facts CU I don't like to live in fantasy when I'm talking about how I'm going to govern for the American people the facts are in my state alone in the state of Texas is once they decided that they were going to overturn the road decision 26,000 women then ended up raped 26,000
▶ 2:56:59is what we had reported and that was only within about a year's time span and when they reported those rapes none of them seemed to have anything to do with trans folk and I don't recall any legislation to help out those women in Texas and beyond that are actually dying we're not projecting may die but are actually dying or have died um in southern states that have decided that they wanted to go after our reproductive
▶ 2:57:29Freedom so as a woman in this country as a Texan and as a black woman who when we look at the numbers and I believe in data and Science and I know that that escapes a lot of people in this chamber but the numbers are clear that specifically black women have always struggled when it came down to the maternal mortality rates in general the fact that somebody who looks like me no matter how much money they have because I can remind
▶ 2:57:59you of um a very wealthy tennis star that almost lost her life while trying to give birth some things I honestly just don't think should be partisan and frankly I do believe in privacy because honestly I don't want none of y'all making decisions if I ever end up pregnant and have to decide what it takes for me to save my life and I give the same opportunity for other women in this country to make decisions as
▶ 2:58:29they see fit so while we look at how we protect women completely differently I can tell you that at least in the 766 th000 women or 766 th000 constituents that I represent I have had them come to me concerned about whether or not they could survive child birth but I have not had a single person in my district tell me that they were concerned that they may be raped
▶ 2:58:59by a trans person so if there is an issue to solve in this country based on facts data and statistics I think that we need to look at the type of Health Care that we are going to advance for women in this country and with that I will yield all right gentle lady yields back we're going to now go into the 15minute cap chair recognizes Mr Higgins from Louisiana for three and a half
▶ 2:59:30minutes thank you Mr chairman I appreciate the three and a half minutes especially given the fact it takes me about 30 minutes to deliver a five speech I'm sure the other side's quite delighted that we're Limited in time so to my my brothers and sisters on both sides of the aisle I'm I'm going to have the the Gabel of the federal law subcommittee
▶ 3:00:00and I would encourage you participate is it's a subcommittee that's going to respond to the needs of and respectful of the good ladies comments regarding civil rights Liberties and freedoms I'm this is a page that we we happen to to agree upon ma'am we've we have sworn a mutual oath I swore oath as a police officer
▶ 3:00:30long ago as an army veteran long before that as a military police officer that oath does not expire we have an obligation to address the weaponization of our government against the American people that we have indeed witnessed and in nowhere is it is it more is is it more frightening than when the weaponization of of government is is
▶ 3:01:00actually is actually our federal law enforcement so since November the 5th Mr chairman the your rank and file federal law enforcement professionals have been celebrating because they they know that they they their beloved agency or department has been corrupted from within at the highest Levels by oppressors of individual rights Liberties and freedoms you rank and file guys
▶ 3:01:31and want to enforce the law uphold the Constitution defend indivi individual rights Liberties and freedoms meanwhile the elitist Executives the oppressors who have rooted their agenda deep within the highest levels of federal law enforcement they're packing their desk right now but those men and women will appear before my subcommittee Mr chairman we will have we will have our time with those men
▶ 3:02:01and we will pull we're not just pulling a curtain back we're ripping it from the rod we're going to reveal the oppressive nature of federal law enforcement at as highest levels that we have experience and I I will yield the balance of my time to the to the chairman I believe the ranking member would like some Time gentleman y back chair now recognizes a ranking member for however much time he wants so you've got seven and a half minutes
▶ 3:02:31on your side I thank chair uh well this is a Circus route to an amendment that would I would remind my colleagues reestablish the subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties um why would we do that because almost nothing matches the importance of guaranteeing civil rights and civil liberties as a member of Congress
▶ 3:03:02than ensuring the expansion of and protection of fundamental rights including voting rights we have seen suppressive activity All Over America whether it comes to women's Reproductive Rights or the WR the fundamental right to cast a ballot and have it counted ballot boxes have been suppressed voting times have been restricted this is
▶ 3:03:32America and if this committee can contribute anything to America it is the preservation of the Sacred right of franchise guaranteed in the 14th Amendment it took a hundred years from the Civil War to the civil rights movement and the adoption of the vote of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act in 18 in 1964 and 1965 respectively and by the way a higher percentage
▶ 3:04:02of Republicans voted for each than Democrats at that time we had bipartisan consensus we understood that we had been bankrupt in meeting that moral obligation and it was time to correct the record back in 1964 65 having this subcommittee anchors Us in that fundamental commitment that ought to transcend our politics I support the amendment to
▶ 3:04:32reestablish the subcommittee as something very fundamental to the function role and dedication of this committee the government uh operations uh and accountability committee and I support the adoption of the amendment I reserve the balance of our time you you all have five minutes and 20 seconds left we have three and a half I'm going to recognize the the gentle lady from Georgia Miss green thank you Mr chairman when we talk
▶ 3:05:03about civil rights we should talk about the rights of over 63 million unborn people that were slaughtered in the room in the womb by what Democrats call Reproductive Rights your Reproductive or murder and when you want to talk about which form of murder do you want to use against an unborn innocent person who should have the right to life we should go into all of those nasty disgusting methods
▶ 3:05:33whether these innocent people are ripped limb from limb are they and they're washed in Saline and murdered in the womb or are their heads crushed before they are pulled out of their mother cervix and womb let's talk about those rights and let's talk about rape yeah let's talk about it a former student convicted of sexually assaulting two girls released by Lowden County judge you know you were talking
▶ 3:06:03about um stats and and data there is information if you just take a minute to go look it up on your cell phone that you're looking at right now you can look up a biological male student that was mental ill and dressed up like a girl and went in the girls high school bathroom and sexually assaulted two women two young women in their school yeah it happens all the time and when you talk about civil rights let's talk about women's rights in
▶ 3:06:33sports a male swimmer competed on the men's team for three years before winning the women's NCAA division 1 championship in the 500 yard freestyle event this same man was nominated NCAA a woman of the year that is a big violation of women's rights after playing on a college men's team 30 years prior a 52-year-old 6'6 man joined a women's junior college basketball team
▶ 3:07:03and destroyed them on the court oh wow I thought you cared about rights civil rights women's rights a male runner was named women's athlete of the week after competing in an NCAA division one women's cross country meet one male athlete won first place in the women's mile race at an NCAA division one Championship and a 17-year-old female volleyball player was left partially paralyzed with brain damage
▶ 3:07:34after a ball was spiked at her by her biological male opponent the team rightfully forfeited the remainder of the games played against that school out of safety concerns why don't you care about the women's rights if you want to preach about civil rights civil liberties and protecting people's rights you should be standing up and protecting women and girls rights and sports and keep your biological men who are mentally insane
▶ 3:08:05and have sexually perversive ideas thoughts and Fantasies out of our bathrooms out of our Sports out of our women's spaces and if you want to continue to be the party that stands up for that absolute insane we'll keep beating you election after election after election you want to know why because y'all are for they them and we're for the American people and we actually do stand up for people's rights we stand up for The Unborn we
▶ 3:08:35stand up for women and children and we will protect them from the deranged lunatics that you all call women Mr chairman I yield back uh gentle lady yields back that's going to wrap up our time you all have what did I say four and a half minutes what do does anyone seek recognition or we going to go straight to votes all right the the motion now is on the Crockett Amendment uh all those in
▶ 3:09:06favor of Miss Crockett's Amendment signify by saying I I all those opposed signify by saying no no no in the opinion of the chair the NOS have it the amendment is not agreed to Mr chair Miss Crockett I'd ask for a recorded vote recorded vote is ordered as previously announced further proceedings on the question will be postponed so pursuant to the previous order the committee stands in recess for 10 minutes while we prepare the electronic voting system good news we think we've got it fixed so 10 minutes don't run off
▶ 3:09:36very far 10 minutes we're coming back we're going to vote electronically it should be quick so the committee stands in recess what is happening recess setting the voting and then we're going to vote on I think we're going to vote on the amendment and the rule and we're yes we
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▶ 3:17:39okay okay we're going to the committee comes back to order we're going to have a test vote if everyone will will make a vote whether it's yes or no it doesn't matter just make a vote and make sure your button works it's looking good I think make sure everybody's button Works make sure your uh voting card is on this is just this is just a test vote
▶ 3:18:10just to make sure the system
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▶ 3:19:17are you good with that yeah okay we just validate all right I think we're still
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▶ 3:21:24okay the committee will now resume consideration of the committee rules and uh the ranking member and I have discussed and have an agreement if somebody's electric voting system does not work we're just going to try to get through this hearing and do a thumbs up or thumbs down and you'll be recorded as voting yes or no until we get all these Kinks work out so uh the question is now on the amendment offered by Mr Conley from
▶ 3:21:54Virginia members will record their votes using the electronic voting system the clerk will now open the vote on the amendment to the rules
▶ 3:22:29have have all members been recorded who wish to be recorded does any member wish to change vote the clerk will close the vote and Report the vote total Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 16 the Nays are 24 the NOS have it and the Conley amendment is not agreed
▶ 3:23:03to the committee will resume consider okay the question is now on the amendment offered by Mr inum from Maryland members will record your votes using the electronic voting system the clerk will now open the vote on the amendment to the the
▶ 3:23:34rules have all members been recorded who wish to be recorded does any member wish to change the vote give you miss thing there any other members wish to vote seeing none the clerk will close the vote report the vote
▶ 3:24:08total Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 16 the Nays are 25 the Nays have it and the in May amendment is not agreed to the question is now on the amendment offered by Miss stanbury from New Mexico members will record to vote using the electronic voting system the clerk will now open the vote uh on the stanbury
▶ 3:24:48have all members been recorded who wish to be recorded does any member wish to change vote the clerk will close the vote report the vote total Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 16 the Nays are 25 the nose have it and the stanbury amendment is not agreed to the question is now on the Amendment offered by Mr Garcia from
▶ 3:25:19California members will record your votes using the electronic voting system clerk will now open the vote on the Garcia Amendment have all m MERS been recorded who wish to be recorded not
▶ 3:25:50yet okay does any member wish to change vote the clerk will close the vote report the vote total Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 16 the Nays are 25 the NOS have it and the Garcia amendment is not agreed to the question is now on the amendment offered by uh Miss Crockett from Texas members will record their votes using the electronic
▶ 3:26:20voting system the clerk will now open the vote on the Crockett Amendment have all members been recorded who wish to be recorded does any member wish to check change their vote the clerk will close the vote and
▶ 3:26:50Report the vote total Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 16 the Nays are 25 the NOS have it and the Crockett amendment is not agreed to the question is now on adopting the proposed rules as the rules of the committee on oversight and government reform for the 119th Congress members will record to vote using the electronic voting system the clerk will now open the vote on adopting the committee
▶ 3:27:32rules oh yeah this is it and it just took three and a half hours have all members been recorded who wish to be recorded does any member wish to change the vote the clerk will close the vote and Report the vote total yes sir and and leave your voting devices at your desk please
▶ 3:28:03Mr chairman on this vote the eyes are 25 the Nays are 16 the eyes have it and the bill is ordered favorably reported without objection the motion to reconsider is laid on the table pursuant to house rules the rules adopted by the committee on oversight and accountability for the 119th Congress will be published and in the Congressional Record and made available to all members and the public on the committee's website without objection the staff is authorized to make necessary Technical and conforming changes to reflect the action of the committee in adopting
▶ 3:28:34the rules without objection so ordered if there's no further business before the committee without objection the committee stands all right see you tomorrow Mr ranking
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