AIHouse and Senate VSO Joint Hearing: American Legion and Multi-VSO Legislative Priorities

VA Budget and ModernizationHouse Veterans' Affairs · 2025-02-26 · 119th Congress
The House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees held a joint hearing to receive the legislative priorities of the American Legion and, on a second panel, a coalition of veterans service organizations, for the 119th Congress. Begins at 0:18:26
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House and Senate VSO Joint Hearing: American Legion and Multi-VSO Legislative Priorities

Purpose

The House and Senate Veterans' Affairs Committees held a joint hearing to receive the legislative priorities of the American Legion and, on a second panel, a coalition of veterans service organizations, for the 119th Congress. Much of the hearing centered on VSO reaction to recent Department of Veterans Affairs workforce reductions and contract cancellations under the Trump administration, alongside long-standing priorities such as the PACT Act, GI Bill parity, suicide prevention, homelessness, and community care access. Begins at0:18:26

Who spoke

Rep. Mike Bost (R-IL), Chairman, House VA Committee0:18:26: Opened by welcoming American Legion National Commander James LaCoursiere, touted passage of the Dole Act and the Restore VA Accountability Act of 20250:26:08, and later defended VA contract and workforce reviews as "responsible stewardship" and "good government"0:42:49.

Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS), Chairman, Senate VA Committee0:27:09: Welcomed the Legion delegation, cited support for the Elizabeth Dole Act, the ACCESS Act, the Precision Brain Health Research Act, the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act, and the National Guard GI Bill Parity Act0:27:39, and pressed VA to be transparent about workforce changes0:28:40.

Rep. Mark Takano (D-CA), Ranking Member, House VA Committee0:29:11: Said VA "indiscriminately fired" an additional 1,400 employees, bringing losses to more than 2,400 in two weeks0:31:42; criticized closure of the VBA Office of Equity Assurance0:33:12 and later pressed Commander LaCoursiere on VFW's firing statement1:04:35.

Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Ranking Member, Senate VA Committee0:35:13: Quoted VA Secretary Doug Collins telling people to disregard senators warning about cuts0:41:18; entered into the record a partial list of 875 canceled VA contracts worth $2 billion0:40:15, and urged skepticism of VA's "happy talk"1:12:10.

Rep. Joe Courtney (D-CT)0:45:21: Introduced Commander LaCoursiere as a fellow Connecticut legionnaire and Air Force veteran who served in Grenada and Lebanon0:45:51.

James LaCoursiere Jr., National Commander, The American Legion0:49:25: Testified on the GI Bill's $7-per-dollar return0:56:29, the need for an outdated Transition Assistance Program overhaul given that financial strain drives 20% of suicide risk factors0:55:28, and repeatedly deferred detailed policy questions to Director Cole Lyle throughout Q&A.

Cole Lyle, Director, Veterans Affairs and Rehabilitation Division, American Legion1:01:33: Said VA's quarterly presumptive-condition briefings with VSOs "have not been occurring on a regular basis"1:03:04; noted career VA officials described a "liberal exemption policy" for critical positions1:05:35 but VA could not guarantee no impact on the Veterans Crisis Line given the hiring freeze/return-to-work mismatch1:23:48; cited $9.2 billion in OIG-identified monetary impact from prior-year reports1:15:45.

Julia Mathis, Director, Legislative Division, American Legion1:17:46: Said the Legion did not yet have data on whether firings were stratified by role (physicians, nurses, front-line staff) but intended to monitor impacts closely1:17:46.

Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)1:16:15: Asked whether firings had been stratified by job type/criticality and asked for data-driven follow-up rather than "topline political comments"1:16:46.

Rep. John "Jay" Bowen, Chairman, Veterans Affairs and Rehabilitation Commission, American Legion1:29:20: Discussed community mental health care variability by region1:30:21 and emphasized VA oversight of community care standards1:29:51.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NH) [omitted duplicate] — *(none found; see Sen. Hassan below)*

Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-NH)1:24:19: Raised aging VA infrastructure, citing the ~75-year-old Manchester VA Medical Center's twice-burst pipes causing care delays1:26:19, and criticized firing of the VA Inspector General1:25:19.

Rep. Juan Ciscomani/Rep. "H" (R-AZ, Phoenix Post 107)1:28:50: Asked how VA can prevent arbitrary denial of community care under Veterans Choice1:28:50.

Sen. Jim Banks (R-IN)1:30:51: Asked about the National Veterans Creative Arts Festival being hosted in Indianapolis in May1:31:52.

Rep. Michelle Fischbach / "McCormick" (R)1:34:04: Asked whether firing and rehiring Veterans Crisis Line staff aligned with the Legion's Be the One suicide-prevention campaign1:35:16.

Sen. Angus King (I-ME)1:38:28: Estimated total VA staffing losses near 4,000–5,000 counting attrition and hiring freeze1:39:28; proposed the "TAP Promotion Act" to involve VSOs in transition1:40:28.

Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks (R-IA)1:42:59: Asked about VA reversing a policy on cost-of-living adjustment ("COLA") calculations1:43:02 and about residential mental health/substance-use care being excluded from Mission Act 30-day access windows1:44:32.

Rep. Maxine Dexter (D-OR)1:47:04: Cited nearly 34,000 veterans homeless nationally, over 1,400 in Oregon, and pressed on funding the Dole Act's homelessness provisions1:47:35.

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL)1:50:37: Described a Vietnam pilot who died of Agent Orange-related illness before receiving benefits1:51:07; said she personally intervened to reinstate two Veterans Crisis Line employees fired on Valentine's Day1:52:38.

Rep. Morgan McGarvey (D-KY)1:55:40: Said Commander LaCoursiere estimated roughly 400,000 (Legion) / Cole Lyle ~360,000 veterans work at VA, out of a 469,000-employee workforce1:56:41; noted VA had done no impact analysis before the layoffs1:57:42.

Rep. Ilhan Omar/"Morris" (D-MN)1:59:12: Reported mass firings hit the Minneapolis VA and noted Hennepin County reached "functional zero" veteran homelessness2:00:14.

Sergeant Major Gary Ginsburg, National Commander, Jewish War Veterans2:24:04: Cited roughly 8% (over 1 million) of veterans as food insecure2:25:05; urged passage of the Major Richard Star Act for ~45,000 combat-injured veterans facing a disability/retirement pay offset2:26:36; called firing pace "too hasty."

Lindsay Church, Executive Director & Co-Founder, Minority Veterans of America2:29:07: Testified as a third-generation Navy veteran and transgender American that VA removed gender-identity data from her records after being "flagged" by an outside account and doge, and cited a transgender veteran's suicide in Syracuse, NY on January 273:04:34; said gender-based harassment/discrimination claims rose 106% in the past year [1:11:41→3:11:41].

Michael McLaughlin, Legislative Director, National Association of County Veterans Services Officers2:33:41: Opposed any future means-testing of VA disability benefits, describing his father's amputation and the cost of lost time with family2:36:43; urged completion of the Veteran Benefits Improvement Act of 2024 Section 4 report2:34:42.

Commander Rene A. Campos, Senior Director, Government Relations, Military Officers Association of America2:38:44: Urged passage of the Veteran Caregiver Re-Education, Re-Employment and Retirement Act2:39:45, the Improving Menopause Care for Veterans Act, and reintroduction of the SAVES Act2:41:16; said only 30 toxic exposures have been recognized since WWI, averaging 34 years to establish presumption2:42:17.

Timothy Sheppard, President, National Association of State Directors of Veterans Affairs2:44:18: Said state veterans homes provide over 50% of VA long-term care (171 homes, 30,000+ beds) and requested funding rise from $147 million to at least $650 million2:45:51; requested cemetery grant funding rise to at least $120 million2:47:22.

Raymond Toenniessen, Deputy Executive Director, D'Aniello Institute for Veterans and Military Families, Syracuse University2:49:54: Cited 62% of veterans remain underemployed 6.5 years after service despite $13 billion spent annually across 46 federal transition programs, 27 of which release no performance data2:52:26.

Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, CEO, Wounded Warrior Project2:54:58: Announced 100 Wounded Warriors would visit Congress the following week to advocate on mental health, financial wellness, and TBI2:56:28; urged passage of the Veterans ACCESS Act and the Major Richard Star Act2:56:58.

Rep. Delia Ramirez/"Dr." referencing Buffalo VA3:06:37: Described removal of two Buffalo VA hospital leaders and said VA already had a 40,000-employee shortage before the latest 1,400 cuts3:07:38.

Key moments

Blumenthal entered into the record a partial list of 875 canceled VA contracts worth $2 billion, saying Secretary Collins' announcement understated the direct-service impact on cancer care, doctor recruiting, and facility decontamination0:40:150:40:46.

Bost disputed the 875 contract-cancellation figure as premature ("it is not 875") and framed contract review as standard cost-stewardship0:43:19.

Cole Lyle testified VA's quarterly presumptive-condition briefings with VSOs "have not been occurring on a regular basis," despite Title II of the PACT Act establishing that framework1:03:04.

A pointed exchange between Takano and Bost over holding a dedicated hearing on the firings: Takano cited two Cleveland VA Medical Center mental-health intake clinicians and Prosthetics/supply-chain staff dismissed on Monday, warning it was "already wreaking havoc on patient care"2:10:492:11:19; Bost said he would "take it under advisement" but would not commit to a hearing2:12:202:13:50.

Duckworth said she personally intervened for two Veterans Crisis Line employees fired on Valentine's Day and cited a third case of a supervisor fired the day before the hearing1:52:381:53:38.

Lindsay Church stated VA removed her gender-identity data from her medical record after it was "flagged" by an outside social-media account, and cited a transgender veteran's death by suicide in Syracuse, NY on January 27, 20263:04:343:05:04.

McGarvey noted neither the American Legion nor VA officials could provide a number for how many veterans or military spouses had lost VA jobs in the firings, or confirm any pre-layoff impact analysis had been performed1:57:121:57:42.

Sheppard said state veterans homes provide over 50% of VA long-term care capacity and requested the construction grant budget be raised from a proposed $147 million to at least $650 million to meet an estimated $1.3 billion need across 81 priority projects2:45:512:46:21.

McLaughlin said his father, a Vietnam veteran who lost a leg during the Tet Offensive, illustrates why the Legion opposes any future means-testing of VA disability compensation2:36:432:37:13.

Toenniessen cited a RAND finding that 27 of 46 federal transition programs, representing over $13 billion in annual spending, release no performance evaluation data at all2:52:26.

Metadata

Official titleLegislative Presentation of The American Legion & Multi VSOs: Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A, Minority Veterans of America, National Association of County Veterans Services Officers, Military Officers Association of America, National Association of State Directors of Veterans Affairs, D’Aniello Institute for Veterans and Military Families, and Wounded Warrior Project before the House and Senate VSO Joint Hearing
CommitteeHouse Veterans' Affairs
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-02-26
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Mr. James LaCoursiere, Jr. — National Commander, The American Legion
Lindsay Church — Executive Director & Co-Founder, Minority Veterans of America
Mr. Joe Sharpe — Director, Veterans Employment and Education Division, The American Legion
Commander Gary Ginsburg — National Commander, Jewish War Veterans
Mr. Michael McLaughlin — Legislative Director, National Association of County Veterans Services Officers
Commander Rene A. Campos — Senior Director, Government Relations, Military Officers Association of America
Lieutenant General Walter E. Piatt — Chief Executive Officer, Wounded Warrior Project
Mr. Matthew Jabaut — Chairman, Veterans Employment and Education Commission, The American Legion
Mr. Matthew Shuman — Chairman, Legislative Commission, The American Legion
Mr. Timothy Sheppard — President, National Association of State Directors of Veterans Affairs
Mr. John "Jay" Bowen — Chairman, Veterans Affairs and Rehabilitation Commission, The American Legion
Ms. Julia Mathis — Director, Legislative Division, The American Legion
Mr. Cole Lyle — Director, Veterans Affairs and Rehabilitation Division, The American Legion
Mr. Raymond Toenniessen — Deputy Executive Director and Vice President for Strategic Initiatives and Innovation, D’Aniello Institute for Veterans and Military Families at Syracuse University
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