American Indian and Alaska Native Public Witness Hearing

Tribal Programs and FundingHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies · 2025-02-27 · 119th Congress
The House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies held the third and final day of public witness hearings on American Indian and Alaska Native programs, hearing from nearly 100 tribes and tribal organizations across roughly two dozen witness panels. Begins at 0:05:36
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Title

Tribal leaders testify on Indian Health, education, and treaty funding cuts

Purpose

The House Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies held the third and final day of public witness hearings on American Indian and Alaska Native programs, hearing from nearly 100 tribes and tribal organizations across roughly two dozen witness panels. Witnesses testified on fiscal year 2026 funding priorities for the Indian Health Service, Bureau of Indian Education, tribal fisheries and forestry, and repeatedly raised alarm about Trump administration funding freezes, federal Staffing cuts, and threatened reductions to Indian Health Service and Department of Interior budgets. Chair Mike Simpson (R-ID) and Ranking Member Chellie Pingree (D-ME) presided, with Rep. Vicente Gonzalez (D-TX), referred to in the transcript as "Elie," also participating throughout. Begins at0:05:36

Who spoke

Chair Mike Simpson (R-ID)0:05:36: Opened the hearing explaining logistics and the expansion to a third day to accommodate nearly 100 tribes0:05:36; repeatedly questioned witnesses about treaty fishing rights0:26:47, dental care delivery in Alaska0:50:46, and pledged to raise the Haskell/SIPI staffing cuts with Secretary Burgum1:57:154:07:01.

Ranking Member Chellie Pingree (D-ME)0:07:37: Said the Trump administration "unleashed chaos and disruption" into Indigenous communities via funding freezes, probationary terminations, and hiring freezes0:07:37; repeatedly pressed on IHS funds left unspent0:52:47 and called the Haskell/SIPI cuts "Bonkers"2:25:05.

Rep. Vicente "Elie" Gonzalez (D-TX) [0:21:45, per transcript labeled "representative LZ/Elie"]: Asked about permafrost threats to Alaska clinics and infrastructure0:55:49 and about causes of rising cancer rates among Native patients1:59:45.

Crystal Williams, Treasurer, USET Sovereignty Protection Fund0:09:41: Warned DOI and HHS may propose cuts of up to 40% and 50% respectively0:11:12 and that IRS tribal government office staff were laid off0:12:14.

Abigail Echo-Hawk, Urban Indian Health Institute / Seattle Indian Health Board0:15:17: Described a homeless Native man who froze to death outside her clinic0:15:48 and requested a $12 million increase for missing/murdered Indigenous women resources0:19:50.

Jason Schlender, Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission0:21:45: Cited over 40 years as a low-risk contractor0:23:16 and warned lamprey treatment cuts threaten Lake Superior lake trout restoration gains0:23:46.

Monique Martin, Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium0:40:41: Requested $75 million more for the Purchase/Referred Care program, noting ANTHC spent $14 million above its PRC allocation0:42:42, and $10 million for a sanitation O&M demonstration project0:44:44.

Ileen Sylvester, South Central Foundation0:45:44: Cited a Native suicide rate nearly three times the U.S. average, six times in parts of Alaska0:49:45; urged permanent mandatory IHS advance appropriations0:48:15.

Reno Franklin, California Rural Indian Health Board1:14:22: Said California receives no level-of-need PRC funding despite being PRC-dependent1:17:10 and shared his father's cancer treatment reliant on PRC dollars1:17:40.

Inder Wadhwa, Northern Valley Indian Health1:21:12: Noted tribal facilities get 30-60% of funding from Medicaid but represent only 2% of total Medicaid spending1:22:44.

Teresa Sanchez, Riverside-San Bernardino County Indian Health1:26:16: Said the FY23 budget's 10-year IHS full-funding proposal grew from $367 billion to over $500 billion due to inflation1:27:16.

Jerilyn Church, Great Plains Tribal Leaders Health Board1:38:00: Said Great Plains life expectancy dropped to 53.6 years between 2019-2021, nearly 7 years below the already-low national Native average1:39:32.

Anthony Locklear, National Indian Health Board1:45:37: Requested $6.3 billion mandatory IHS funding and noted a 30% provider vacancy rate1:48:39.

Robin Sunday-Allen, National Council of Urban Indian Health1:50:40: Said her clinic diagnoses 15-20 new cancer cases monthly, calling cancer "the new diabetes" in Indian Country1:54:43.

Ahniwake Rose, American Indian Higher Education Consortium2:06:54: Reported 27% of Haskell's workforce and 24% of SIPI's workforce terminated2:09:26.

Jason Dropik, National Indian Education Association2:12:28: Cited BIE per-pupil funding of $7,000 versus $15,000 public school and $25,000 military-dependent averages2:16:00.

Toni Tsatoke-Mule, Kiowa Education Agency2:18:01: Described her own path through Haskell and the trauma of the mid-semester federal staffing cuts2:20:32.

Cecilia Fire Thunder, Oglala Lakota Nation Education Coalition2:30:22: Cited the same $7,000/$16,800/$25,000 per-pupil funding disparity and an 80-school facilities backlog2:32:24.

Jordan Etcitty, Diné Bi'Olta School Board Association2:35:27: Requested forward funding of BIE facility O&M accounts and DoD-equivalent pay for BIE teachers2:38:59.

Aurene Martin, National Indian Child Welfare Association2:40:00: Cited a 40% reduction in foster care placements after the Umatilla tribes redesigned prevention programs with direct funding access2:43:32.

Greg Abrahamson, Northwest Portland Area Indian Health Board2:50:42: Said actual IHS need for FY2024 was estimated at $51.4 billion versus $6.9 billion enacted2:53:44.

Esther Lucero, Seattle Indian Health Board2:56:16: Said the clinic is 54.8% dependent on federal funding and lost payment system access on January 282:57:16; cited a 71% reduction in suicidal ideation among clients using traditional medicine2:59:46.

Lloyd Miller, National Tribal Contract Support Coalition3:01:21: Said the San Carlos Apache v. Becerra ruling means contract support costs will cost roughly $1 billion more annually3:03:22.

Jeremy Takala, Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission3:11:59: Requested $6.4 million for Columbia River fisheries management, noting 12 salmon/steelhead populations are listed as endangered3:14:39.

Ed Johnstone, Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission3:18:12: Discussed treaty co-management under United States v. Washington and requested $15 million for BIA hatchery O&M3:22:44.

Heather Thompson, World Wildlife Fund, Native Nations Conservation and Food Systems3:24:51: Said $67 million in USDA IRA/farm bill funding for tribal buffalo restoration is currently frozen3:27:22; cited her ancestor Fred Dupris as among those who saved the buffalo from extinction3:30:24.

Austin Lowes, Chippewa Ottawa Resource Authority / Sault Ste. Marie Tribe3:42:48: Requested an increase to $8.5 million for treaty fishing rights protection under the 1836 Treaty of Washington3:45:20.

Mark Macarro, National Congress of American Indians3:47:18: Said BIA, IHS, and BIE together represent less than one-quarter of 1% of the federal budget3:51:22; noted the National Indian Gaming Commission is entirely tribally funded yet faces staffing cuts4:11:02.

Cody Desautel, Intertribal Timber Council3:54:24: Cited a 21% real-terms decline in BIA forestry funding over 30 years and $400 million in foregone timber revenue from 2010-20193:55:243:56:25.

Cory Blankenship, Native American Finance Officers Association3:59:58: Discussed HR 8318, the Tribal Tax Investment and Reform Act, including a proposed $175 million annual New Markets Tax Credit for tribal communities4:02:28.

Key moments

Williams warned DOI and HHS may propose cuts up to 40% and 50% respectively to Indian Country programs0:11:12.

Echo-Hawk recounted a homeless Native man who froze to death at her clinic's doorstep and a young man whose gangrenous toes fell off during a diabetes screening0:15:480:18:50.

Lucero disclosed her clinic lost access to its federal payment management system on January 28, jeopardizing a $28.1 million, 314-job treatment facility project2:57:162:58:16.

Miller said the Supreme Court's San Carlos Apache v. Becerra ruling requires roughly $1 billion more annually in contract support cost reimbursements that the committee cannot absorb without breaching contracts or cutting services3:03:223:03:53.

Church reported Great Plains life expectancy fell to 53.6 years between 2019-2021, prompting Rep. Gonzalez to call it "third world country type stuff"1:39:322:02:17.

Ahniwake Rose disclosed 27% of Haskell Indian Nations University's workforce and 24% of SIPI's workforce were terminated mid-semester under Executive Order 142102:09:26; Pingree called the cuts "Bonkers"2:25:05.

Thompson said $67 million in USDA and $18 million in Interior funding for tribal buffalo restoration remains frozen, calling it "the most significant investment ever" in tribal buffalo now stalled3:27:22.

Macarro noted BIA, IHS, and BIE combined represent under one-quarter of 1% of the federal budget, calling efficiency efforts targeting them "ludicrous," and that the National Indian Gaming Commission is funded entirely by tribal assessments yet still faces federal staffing cuts3:51:224:11:02.

Desautel said BIA forest management funding is a third of the Forest Service's and a fourteenth of BLM's per acre, causing $400 million in foregone tribal timber revenue from 2010-20193:55:24.

Wadhwa and Sanchez both noted tribal health programs receive 30-60% of funding from Medicaid while representing only 2% of total Medicaid spending, arguing cuts would yield no federal savings1:22:44.

Metadata

CommitteeHouse Appropriations Subcommittee on Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies
Chamber / CongressHouse · 119th Congress
Date2025-02-27
TypeHearing
Witnesses
Reno Franklin — Chair, California Rural Indian Health Board
Anthony Locklear — Interim Chief Executive Officer, National Indian Health Board
Jason Dropik — Executive Director, National Indian Education Association
Teresa Sanchez — Health Board Delegate, Riverside-San Bernardino County Indian Health Inc.
Mark Macarro — President, National Congress of American Indians
Jerilyn Church — President, Chief Executive Officer, Great Plains Tribal Leaders Health Board
Inder Wadhwa — Chief Executive Officer, Northern Valley Indian Health
Ahniwake Rose — President, Chief Executive Officer, American Indian Higher Education Consortium
Crystal Williams — Treasurer, United South and Eastern Tribes Sovereignty Protection Fund
Monique Martin — Vice President of Intergovernmental Affairs, Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium
Cecilia Fire Thunder — Chairwoman, Oglala Lakota Nation Education Coalition
Jordan Etcitty — Executive Director, Diné bi Olta School Board Association
Aurene Martin — Board of Directors Member, National Indian Child Welfare Association
Esther Lucero — President, Chief Executive Officer, Seattle Indian Health Board
Lloyd Miller — Council, National Tribal Contract Support Coalition
Jeremy Takala — Chair, Columbia River Inter-Tribal Fish Commission
Ed Johnstone — Chairman, Northwest Indian Fisheries Commission
Heather Thompson — Vice President, Native Nations Conservation and Food Systems
Austin Lowes — Tribal Chairman, Chippewa Ottawa Resource Authority, Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians
Cody Desautel — President, Intertribal Timber Council
Cory Blankenship — Executive Director, Native American Finance Officers Association
Jason Schlender — Executive Administrator, Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission
Robyn Sunday-Allen — Chief Executive Officer, National Council of Urban Indian Health
Toni Tsatoke-Mule — Executive Director, Kiowa Education Agency and Higher Education
Abigail Echo-Hawk — Director, Urban Indian Health Institute
Ileen Sylvester — Executive Vice President for Executive and Tribal Services, Southcentral Foundation
Greg Abrahamson — Vice-Chair, Northwest Portland Area Indian Health Board
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