▶ 0:08:04>> good committee. >> without to declare today thed require the senate or the
▶ 0:08:36Interior rule from the list thrr the injured species on progressg the regulations related to managing their agriculture can be even vulnerable to these predators.
▶ 0:09:02This decision best under stan, the local nutrition 66. The mining act wod mill site and fund that would td and um.
▶ 0:09:24Reclamation mineral essential to supportinge noble energy as. Well as strengthening our competitiveness. This.
▶ 0:09:43Bipartisan piece of help roadbls until even more demand for more mineral make imperative h.r.
▶ 0:10:033016, the regulatory review viable operation has been said, times just to be true important issue. Pollution acts as a safeguard against the nations that threaten the strength and reliable previous administration smothered our.
▶ 0:10:38With red tape to the day. Act o, uh, with the energy regulatory commission to continue operating under surface. This is, um, the bill amends the federal power process state's.
▶ 0:11:08Mission organization can state found inadequate or injured of insulation. To ensure the reliability of the nation, but also places an important fund grid state.
▶ 0:11:3671 the kayla hamilton act william trafficking victims authorization act to enhance.
▶ 0:11:48Efforts to combat the traffic three and a july legisl, is by an illegal alien from el salvador out u.s under h as
▶ 0:12:18In kayla hamilton, part of a larger disturbing pattern that must be this designed to prevent tragic these like requiring hhs to request from their home. Further, it requires uas for certain serious in the e checks in adult members.
▶ 0:12:51There encouraged, uh. The aliens to serve we turn to our force. The speed act national environmental act of 1960. Um facilitate or ew process.
▶ 0:13:19We should agree the process roadblock to reliable, affordable solution ea environment and elect america problem.
▶ 0:13:47Charity today forward h that, I now yield to the he wiso make. Well, thank you. Madam chair. >> yeah.
▶ 0:14:02Every week it's the tor grocery prices, nothing with acx credit, nothing to help, nothing for my constituents or your considered this place is supposed to represent. I don't know who writes. I go home and stretch of paycheck. Grant grandparents fixed.
▶ 0:14:27Uh, so are the people the people. These are the, and I'm . And what does nothing for our constituents.
▶ 0:14:48Those were writtey corporations that are ripping our constituents that help polluters, make life easier and harder and more expensive. Overo mining companies not once, say, an and another . Giveaway.
▶ 0:15:14While families struggle to make ends conservation successes in america, gray this before, whenr a third were white, wrote court, stopped it are?
▶ 0:15:29They come think the, those that billt override the environmental up electricity costs and more incrd republicans big ugly electricity
▶ 0:16:00Prices by more than over the next decade. Pockets of fossil fuel polluters and sticking seey in bills that they're bill thato protect children.
▶ 0:16:16It treats vulnerable, which I think is a t know who the hell ask this for s of working with to rip off every people, evidenced by the bills that you bring. Do that. And wii yield back.
▶ 0:16:43Included now welcome our first panel hoffman, from the committee on your submitted. The record statement of five minutes, chairman your testimony, I'm chair.
▶ 0:17:11And to the committee for the opportunity to madam chair,e bills will help move our permitting area. Cost list oppor stewardship of. Our which will promote a healthier segment. So I encourage.
▶ 0:17:40Everyone to listen, to might learn something. No about the bills. The first one was econome .
▶ 0:17:58Speed act, which I introducedn act. It's boebert and tiffany.
▶ 0:18:14Each of these bills, curtail agency overreach, provide the certainty that is desperately needed for lower prices, and make americans more profitable.s the speed act. This bill is over 300 organizations from all 50 states of, including mining, tech and local local go, tribes and public works, conservation. Organizations.
▶ 0:18:43The speed agencies of nepa process has grown into a polluted charat improved environmental outcomes, but.
▶ 0:19:00Rather bureaucratic delays for uncertainty strengthens keys of the supreme court's may 20thl makes clear agencies consider only or effects approximately by major federal actions, not those of lr path agencies may determine an d
▶ 0:19:30Solely on the provision of federal legislation this judicial review is a purely procedural. I repeatedly emphasized by the supreme court can no procedural with the bill includes language supportive of member and nonfeds , including county tribes and other local government entities, are in decision imposes
▶ 0:20:04Deadlines on agencies and ensurt all agency actions are executed in supports tribal sovereignty by including a decision that claims on nepa actions initiated by tribal resources commission that is taken by resd the tribe's best interest, stopping an activist court from asserting how to tribal
▶ 0:20:35Resources. Core the world in technology, freedom and economic prosperity by making policy like act. The law of the land is on both sides of the aisle, and the hundreds of organizations that engaged in the development and who support is considered the next h.r.
▶ 0:20:583066, being regulatory actt of mom of operation for the rosemont copper mine in arizona . The rosemont decision.
▶ 0:21:12Limited the for services operations on federal and over 40 years of regulatory, legal precedent before developing obtain a mine, operations from the service or the bureau of land management.
▶ 0:21:35This planet surface uses of ther waste rock plants roads under te rosemont decision. However, operators must prove the existence of a deposit on a claim before a plan of operation can be approved that the economc ability of a site cannot be determined until federal government.
▶ 0:22:01The ramifications, not circuit's su, although the rosemont can involve. Four service lands, it has prompted more projects on blm lands based on similar regulations. The policy is not g right. Instead seeks to restore the to conduct minor missions. The bill provides needed clarity by .
▶ 0:22:30Creating a new category of tog that operate. The legislation creates an, which cm its fees will be. Used to fund a program to inventory that abandoned hardrock mining lands well past support. Then we have worked with to achieve stronger support.
▶ 0:22:57Again, I want on both sides of all for their willingness to engage constructively on. Lastly, I'll discuss h.r. 845, the pet and livestock by representative and tiffany.
▶ 0:23:15This model off to reissue its 2020 final rule, delivered the list of threatening species across our wolf, unlike most other issue oe last, all found the ground is delisted.
▶ 0:23:35Gray populan the united, and if recovery numr goals, they are no longer extinction to act by clearing political fog, turning. To the s and wolf, I urge the committee to report and these it yields. Thank you.
▶ 0:24:09>> gentleman yields back. Now recognize the gentleman five mi. You're now ready. Thank you, Mr. chairman. >> and ranking. >> um, this week, uh, best days of the year with a lot in. And the republican majority seems to be mell around us.
▶ 0:24:27The openly cl , sizing him charge petitions or piling up the gop health care plan is always, you know, ten years away from wherever you are. But just days that is a health care ability. Cliff um that, we are with this meltdown now, it is telling.
▶ 0:24:56There is one thing that does seem to unite republicans favors for big oil and foreign owned oil, apparently shooting endangered wolves. Thih the legislative nightmare before christmas and speed. Act.
▶ 0:25:15Um, from the start, deb to negotiato start sending war on energy acrs the aisle refused in place.
▶ 0:25:42Administration has acted to block the cleanest, most affordable form and even the marginal changes that were made. Medic attempt to suggest neutrality, uh, seem panic amone members of the republican conference. Um dangerous and harmful attempt. Got america's.
▶ 0:26:10But under the guise reform, makh harder in some. Cases nearly impossible for cases heard it would fundamentally shift nepa. The important policy that it has always embodied. Uh checking ex. Developers undermining the fedel government should look.
▶ 0:26:34For it leaps and be transparent with communities along with any of my colleagues do support practical, genuine, bipartisan reforms that would speed up aid, clean other critical interest.
▶ 0:26:55This pg community input certainty. What uh, true to itsh the speed to go. The congressional budget office.
▶ 0:27:20This bill increase direct perioa public, uh like someone in the case of thay
▶ 0:27:55On both sides. Of the. I seem to want the same supply chain. Butt seems to be to start in domestic public lands ending companies, industry. Argues, provides certainty and clarity.
▶ 0:28:20But in fix would lose public lands for unlimited dumped for whatever they like without paying fair market serious scrutiny foreign adversaries need to sens congress are spoiling, uh, in ts
▶ 0:28:52Hearing, republicans de-listinga science. That's how it works rid overturned by the bad science.
▶ 0:29:11S fuel mongering and conspiracy theory also appear level policit threaten, uh, uh, withdrawals in order to manage that, lot of top predator and some times and to n wolf attacks.
▶ 0:29:39But we have managers to use. Things to make sure that we reduce threats provide compensation for livestock get this notion of.
▶ 0:30:00Trophy hunters should just shoot more should lr tools like storing take some pre off the against all, uh, wolf pn colleagues, the american titan in massive spike in health care costs.
▶ 0:30:28Trying to make thing and talking about killing endangered wolf, foreign pillage our public lands. And for a wish list, I hope. And that so we can have ah .
▶ 0:30:54Uh, and maybe doing that wouls that we're seeing, build back. >> now recognize Mr. of questiok you, Mr.
▶ 0:31:08Here, uh, I appreciate it because I think sense, and I think, um oppositit it's not constituents. Try to make it more effective.
▶ 0:31:31And so, you kno, nepa maybe intention, but it anm wondering, can you permitting, e that will argue that need our ce
▶ 0:32:02When it was put in place and came. From that, we had better environmental stewardship of. Be environment. You have an.
▶ 0:32:22Adverse when you stop things like, uh, that make uh, motorists that much waste wasteo right gas production or, uh, mission lines
▶ 0:32:55Or something like that. But public projects as well bridges not up in the nepa an average ox years. Uh an average of four and a half years on projects to get through the nepa test.
▶ 0:33:18And if you go back six years from 19, look inflation that happened the past few. Years. Cost got added into project during that time. Hold r nepa. Uh infrastructure in our country. There jobs, artisan support on .
▶ 0:33:47A lot of that on, uh, building infrastructure because the infrastructure, we want the speed act. Is that it. Red tape. It it move along more quickly and procedural process.
▶ 0:34:09I just say that in a, a judge on the supreme court said that can't bo outcome so.
▶ 0:34:24We want to come on to make it a process where people go throught a return on their process jobs, for people home, because like, right.
▶ 0:34:48Now on critical mineralsa few weeks ago that those and they process and control 90% of them. We're in america national. Mining association said from the point you hear, tt in a myself in the nepa process, you get a permit.
▶ 0:35:15You can be sued by somebody who special interest. And stops the whole. Project after sometimes broken. We benefit and lowering profits and competitive on global stage.
▶ 0:35:41You mentioned, um the energy demands.
▶ 0:35:54If we want to keep thin consumers, industrial users, we're going to have to figure ta centers because the and there's only so much energy chair, I ape that uh, things are starting to learn. We need efficient and cost savings.
▶ 0:36:23And so appreciate you bringing this forward. The, um wolves is some. Live in minnesota. Obvious wolfd
▶ 0:36:55Kind of things the real harm it is doing to our neighbors and, and they're made that it was a k and they run out of money. So there's tht they're not.
▶ 0:37:15They are a, um, and livestock. There is a so I was wondering, uh, chair wester if . Thank you >> but let's let's back to follow the science.
▶ 0:37:44Well obama in my gray wolf is the trump administration said that that, uh. But yet abld celebrate this is reservation. Uh, these. Is their populations increase and they spread out.
▶ 0:38:11They're interacting with humans and with and activities eating cattle and , they can so there's, uh farmed immediately. But that translates into grocery store when, uh which is and uh, beef prices.
▶ 0:38:42>> absolutely. And I just appreciate that the, issue of the science also because, uh . It was. That, like you said, it was a success story. And bach and the we're not following the science even though, uh, years science. So bo ahead. I'm sorry.
▶ 0:39:11>> and when you on gray wolves. You through hunting or aided to keep the population adequate amount. Yeah, absolutely. >> and I did, um, this is something. And again, I'll say e calls that I that we are passing.
▶ 0:39:38Absolutelyk yields back now governed for his time of question to begin. >> we spent. Uh about health cat the. I've done 14 in person.
▶ 0:40:10I've actually participated in town hall. I was in pennsylvania. Um over the weekend, and people I can tell you on not one person in any of these, not one. They bring up in four days.
▶ 0:40:34About to for over two weeks, an, you know, to get important business is what we're doing seeing their h, uh, health, actually, we care hd we can argue about care, you knt
▶ 0:41:06Extending the aca, uh millions e keep their insurance. You about, you know, sure we need tg toward republicans keep on top h care plan.
▶ 0:41:22I saying that at somh something and we're like this p, passionate well, you know, what is important? Food on the table for their families. What is important? Their health care. Uh, whether they can can pay hae access to, uh the.
▶ 0:41:50I'm just like at the beginning or something th care talking about health care. Keep the polls public. And, um, you know, they want ended.
▶ 0:42:12They ande doing is due respect to me here, I mean, I'm talking about this stuff.
▶ 0:42:26We are we ought lowering the cost of people nott , I the gentleman from south carolina for his time of you for being, uh, chairman. She about lawsuit. Curb those. As of this country that's costing the businesses and at every does it give?
▶ 0:43:02Curbs those question and something very big because to have to start quickly. And ta process.
▶ 0:43:30I said it takes an average permits or rate decisions all the jump through. The paperwork decision.
▶ 0:43:43So logic or project which law there's a x year window can follow the law project and they file through it on something as trivial as somek
▶ 0:44:14And so things that we've uh in the news all year were spent thousands. Of federal and locald building it again.
▶ 0:44:37I spent several that even made them the better part of the pipeline. So investors put billions of dollars that drn , called the resolution copper mine to meet our for decades, need things we want to. Well, good faith.
▶ 0:45:07Uh, the permit process many years to done. They invest hole 7000ft in the ground to get and then a judge up the project.
▶ 0:45:23$2t , but nobody and nobody is getting here in the projects own and I like to talk the last runway built at the it, actually took half years toe permit process
▶ 0:45:53The escalation construct over a nine year time off some landingy opportunity that, uh, that runwd the chin of. Nepa is one of the most abused part to reduce that 650 days.
▶ 0:46:26>> yet time is money. >> you've got, um, a lot of inflation, but we. Got got companies there that what we in china and other countries. >> but it's tough sledding. And that's the topic. >> so this up. >> I won't go into the if that's the the as a uh off market. Like I said, there's a shortage of the product.
▶ 0:46:55For g this for us. >> uh, yeah. Back now, recognized gentlelady from south question. >> thank. You, Mr. chairman. >>. I think there's widespread agreement need far from sure this is the vehicle to do it. I mean reform of.
▶ 0:47:18But ine last there's have been nepa permitting process. And there tn act for better structure, to make sure that permits. Could be processed. Now, two years, uh, the time for permits for a year. And a half by about 28.
▶ 0:47:47But that continue. But has been restored. And of dodging of all of our our agenct happening as a result. Of these current white house. >> yes. Thanks for that question .
▶ 0:48:12And you're to the, uh, a coups ago, we had shortened permitting. Review, uh, times po we just require four years on average. That's like that averaged 50 poe in the hey,, you're playing all kinds of games with those enough to go through nepa.
▶ 0:48:41Those that they authorities and only the most complicated big have t. Um, and that had dramatically transition. So you're exactly right. Um, we're all interested in about the numbers and we're working that have been taken off the table.
▶ 0:49:10Fortunately, by our colleagues, it's that all the fs hurting our ability collect revenue. >> so. Right. Uh just a similar, uh, situation there.
▶ 0:49:27And that we scale oil and gas to the detriment of be the, uh the esmeralda project, which the biggest solar farm in the us thg process line. Um, clean energy projects. Can you tell?
▶ 0:49:57>> yeah, certainly. Democrats really wanted to work, uh, chair across the aisle on having clear and just allowing pick and ener, which, uh, cannot, unfortunatele were unable to in committee of the chairman of an that they said was solution to our concerns.
▶ 0:50:27It end the war on clean energy. And so we are stuck here today with a bill that things that were discussed at the outset meeting, all of this meeting, electricity is just cheapest do it. People a natural gas turbine so that they burn some more fossil fuel.
▶ 0:50:51They want to quit the abundant very quickly and very cheaply in this administration, at least whenever federal permits are required. No, you can't juse it, we see this this administration projects while mining it's solar, uh etc.
▶ 0:51:15And uh, out of the rising have, uh, kind of process in place, um, a little bit of remove the great from the endangered. Species list.
▶ 0:51:38And this is the ud reinstate, um, a rule that was offered at the end of the trumps blocked by the courts because the essentially a political decision that lacked scientific. Interestingly in what appeared an admission that this this rule support, the of it.
▶ 0:52:04Couldn't ady this would undermine our environmental laws and biological diversity? >> it was a bit of a boogeyman for our republican colleagues me essentially got it almost entirely meaningless, even when it is, uh, well, uh, but with respect to wolves, they're doing this essentially a flouting of
▶ 0:52:35Process reason to make sure we get this right. And you correctly pointed out that the trump de-listing science and it it's done right that the outcome that will be wt the trump administration did. They took shortcuts and a court said you can't is um, simply.
▶ 0:52:55Pn illegal, uh, rulemaking to effect and closing the door by saying you not exactly a roadmap, right a firmn in advance, um, I would as wellk you. I yield back thank you. >> and gentleman from new york, Mr. langworthy?
▶ 0:53:27Chairman. >> uh, I a problem that has become impossible. Democrats continue g process that takes longer cost more and certainty. >> we should h.r. 4776, tim, that its original purpose. Environmental review ment.
▶ 0:53:46Uh decision, not pr years in years, not because impacts haven't been studied, but real obstacle. Uh, that. System is working as intended.
▶ 0:54:06But when ar more in irrigation becomes routine, it's clear something seeing this time in new york with, uh, micron, uh, a. Massive new chips facility, uh oh, should that weg for here. It's exactly what I'mt . It's what the speed action addresses. It does focuses environmental review.
▶ 0:54:34It encourages agencies to rely. It sets brings certainty to the decision making process can actually be . An expert, uh, how restored clarity and finality. To the permitting process while environmental review.
▶ 0:54:58Uh severat those areas. Uh, you. Mentioned the issue of creating a federal next that triggers. Uh, just the basis of of a financial nexus in the country that were announced.
▶ 0:55:27These are private on private lad you would think not really a. Federal reason to go through the nepa. They received funding from the federal. Been a whole serieo allow these plants. National se, um, additionally, the macro in new york was situation. And stil held up.
▶ 0:55:54Uh, but the uh, that pg reform of the spot. What there'n republicans or seven democrat answers. Much as we to take in, uh, information from both sides of the markup. As well as stakeholders from with nepa process there.
▶ 0:56:22Um our republican going to, well too ed there's some colleagues who say this is just window dressing. O, you know.
▶ 0:56:43A lot of people are convinced that this I challengee picked in the we went at it, nea technical to neutral with the io get permit like lady liberty onr
▶ 0:57:13Case and you have a fair shot at getting permit. You're in a posn that's drug you either yes or no and you can make a return or yoo another project somewhere. Else. And so much hinges that going forward. Well, it's critical. >> I mean, is we're in york.
▶ 0:57:34I t of why we need micron to have robust facility there. Um and they're already a year behind schedule because. Of, uh, arduous permitting.
▶ 0:57:55And this isy recent case and appropriation bill. >> there was I about $12 billion put traffic control system. And I serve transportation. This should have been done by technology in towers there. Uh.
▶ 0:58:23The chief telling mey nepa towers we have a.. There's.
▶ 0:58:54We have safer. But if you look in the permit, chano implement the technique endorse, um, different that know how nepo good things for america. And wo.
▶ 0:59:27>> well, thank you very area, I mean, permitting form is you. Bill. The strong move towards, uh. A balance in the permitting process the proje forward without. So I'm proud to support this legislation to its. Chairman.
▶ 0:59:54Yeah gentleman from colorado. >> excuse thank you, Mr. chairmd good evening to our the committee. And of course, tg reform support this bill for many of the reasons that the ranking member and chairman. Cof questions I guess I wanted to ask.
▶ 1:00:24With, of course, I've been abiding respect for you as my as the, uh, the work we do together there. Not couldn't have a meeting of the minds particular bill. >> so with all of that said, want to zero in been the subject of some discussion, and that's the.
▶ 1:00:55Currently the statute of. Limitations for filing a lawsuie new statute of limitations would be 100. Okay just for that change.. Under nepa are making unwieldy, correct?
▶ 1:01:23Well that that describes that exactly what. Happens is record of decision permit. You should so you're tying you're by the wl the time.
▶ 1:01:47We're still giving somebody at I'm not misunderstanding it. >> you're not or saying there. There are a lot of lawsuits. Uh, and of getting getting these. For invet to invest in and invest where I can.
▶ 1:02:15Get investment and not be something you can't, conceive. E things come out of left field, and the. Judge says here, the dy have any reason.
▶ 1:02:35So we want in s going know, this was just in the permitting process and I have a right to wo court, the judge will say they agree with the plaintiff, then back to, I guess in the conclusion that you're saying mean, it's betterr
▶ 1:03:15The speed act helping the proliferation of lawsuits mean,e statute of limitation. >> the. Process moving federal statute that is supposed to be not. Outcomes, but it's a process your position?
▶ 1:03:43>> I guess that if feedback becomes law, okay. Is it your ba worthy goal to have the same volume? Epa post speed. Versus the current state of affairs? >> we in the number of lawsuits.
▶ 1:04:03I think aftd act becomes law is if innovative technology economy and we're not chasing that we're not, I understand that price. >> let's back up. Way up. Hoffman. Maybe ask Mr. hoffman this question, then I'll come in. You were a lawyer for many years.
▶ 1:04:31Okay, so as was I accept behind a statute of limitations, is. To provide so you're short and this legislatin shortening the statute with the hope that there are. I didn't w, subsiding. And I and something.t that was speed act.
▶ 1:04:57I think if I pulled it online for the benefits of this chairman, on a bipartisan basis, as you said republicans, to reduce the number of law make you remember, said the statute of limits and to 150 days? >> another can spin of the window for if you.
▶ 1:05:27Reduce the six. >> exactly. If you're just inst0 days, you of lawsuits reasons tt happens is the gentleman names t allowance of a to figure out a claim going back
▶ 1:05:59To, I guess. I understand the argument misstating. One of the things is it true that of the goal litigation, which is to norman, just by way of example, he he sd deal of his time he's voting fos bill because he's agree that red
▶ 1:06:30Litigation is got to look at the whole picture. You've got this whole permitting process lr there's a record of this whole process going through the nepa. Who would be affected or concerned? I'm faulting you.
▶ 1:06:56Uhe who on litigation. That's a principle thing that I disagree with, but there's get , this is the sort of crux is thee trying to solve, because I'd like to less litigation. There is.
▶ 1:07:23Too much of it now, what nepa are litigated the exact number, but looked it up so. 50s okay, all I'm are settled.
▶ 1:07:51>> make it >> so but my point is. I think there are principles behind support. >> and I think like you wouldn'n I'll give you a chance to respond. >> but I think. There's . To 100 is so substantial it merits.
▶ 1:08:20Further consideration by . Uh, you know, I would hope that you'd find I looked in the. Organic statutes of the state, proudly represent gallery, a statute of limitations of 100.
▶ 1:08:42Really understand why, uh, the not say two, three years? We're going to cut the statute., say we're goio cut this of limitations to go f1 year. Why not wait 150 days? Qu. Well uh, take.
▶ 1:09:10Your your observations here, but I think we had a almost 70 democrats vote for forest act. I don't I'm not I don't think you did so. But, uh, a lot of your vote for the legislation. So we so we will month from what we had in the you're aware of the fix our forest act's moving through the know t.
▶ 1:09:43>> just fix our for there is for claims again gas development on public landss doing something for healthier le that relates. To mass in different parts of the country, and you've take in what was it s reduce it by years.
▶ 1:10:13You sit by 50, 80. You. Basically eliminated it. You said, you know, folks from to a wind enery project you know, land, uh. Live. They've got about 150 days.
▶ 1:10:39They window, what used to be for biden, under president obama course of the last and 50 days,s very seismic are you going of lawyers that don't like that?
▶ 1:11:04>> but something to make our economy competitive on the they want to happen and. Good jobs drop, I think they're going to be in favor of probably look at it and say rigorous a permit . Is there this challenged, folk 100.
▶ 1:11:32Eliminate 150 days entirely if that's the case? >> are you judicial? Are you at all? >> are you offering an amendment? Uh, I it sounds like good theater. >> I, as I said, I, uh negotiat, uh, the, um, we if the people ao access judicial review.
▶ 1:11:58For eight authorities for projects ought that same right to judicial review or need. To you that it should be six yearsn any event, I appreciate the exchange I'll go ahead and balance my the gentleman from georgia. Mr. scott, at the time. I do want to. I'm.
▶ 1:12:27I'm gld she dies. And, uh, forest lands of the states and the wildlife habitat people solar panels on them anymore.
▶ 1:12:47Every time time I get to go home, I distrit thousands of acres of habitat that watersheds and put subsidized.
▶ 1:13:11For what? You know and the idea that you to the wildlife habitat do it in the name of the environment glad we're doing thh back to after the inflation reduction, as they called it, and other things that agreemente
▶ 1:13:47Permitting element and that we needed to have permitting. The o major changes in permitting to get coming back to america and to keep the economy is that to the permitting. >> you're right. Now majority of congress agreed to that with control act.
▶ 1:14:13And if you remember, we folk is one way tot can only be or take a year or be 100, of doing one through an environmental two years or long , the case, the in utah with 30s long.
▶ 1:14:42So and with the permits and should when clock is I guess in the federal federal age want to proceed with. A permit.
▶ 1:15:07Uh, administration, notice the e front end and through the permit and get through your process and get thd of decision, they. Were waiting to issue the permit. So even though they work on some projects in the given time frame .
▶ 1:15:31For adding end and the back end now this is a correct in the speed act markup was fras 30 days from the time you get. No, you have to start the time clock permitting process and tis when you get a per.
▶ 1:15:55Those were amendments that my democratic colleagues who worked on the thn have to put there. You had good actors in the bureaucracy . They're they're in the bill before us. And we had an agreement. Joe biden.
▶ 1:16:19Was the president of the united states, that we were then, uh, and the bureaucracy got ahold of it. And uh, and now that the same people . That were for it, because they know it's what it takes to get the economy states now that it's president trump, there. So or more fair. Statement, I, I opposed.
▶ 1:16:45To it, but I don't understand why people would be opposed to thany um, um this. I get you work on it. Um. I'm all I'm more mentioned unio, deforestation. That was good for brazil. Is european union by. That to, uh, united.
▶ 1:17:14Yeah >> they are. It's a whole different. Subject. But I know that health care has so maybe we get a little great to talk about the eu rule.
▶ 1:17:30That is more deforestation and, uh, than it's excluding countries like finland, sweden from uh, sendinf you cut where timber is being cut, we're not buying it ridiculous of us in the european union. They're deforestation things that they're for the united sta.
▶ 1:18:03I'll tell your friends, don't friends like that. Saying we coa friend don't get what they've done with population yield. Back from new mexico, Mr. hernandez, for her question. >> you had a.
▶ 1:18:34>> dealt with the is, uh, I find this committee the americans watching? >> how much am I the united states in royalties whenever a gold or federal public >> uh, you, on minerals.
▶ 1:18:58There e bigger benefit of producing those things. The geological. Survey in the department of commerce. But copy of that. But that of mined matet ends up in our domestic multipl.
▶ 1:19:31>> industry work on them. But we'll pay for the right people and in fact, ir oil and gas pay a royalty. Now they pay a loyal, , yes. But they don't pay any royalty for hard. Work mining.
▶ 1:19:58And so happens to be a company, there's only wholly or, by or at countries like china. It's correct, then that they're gettr minerals for free first I don't think company owned to be minint they do in fact and we have foreign mining.
▶ 1:20:29>> uh, I'm holding up here an is raises concerns. Stable said that us. Market because we are. Chinese companies have intereste united states are actually owned? Well I, I produce one haf the uranium is in the.
▶ 1:20:54Us, and we import it heavily gold compag and mining more joint that is done by foreign bd a business here? Do mining in te united states . You're also not mister.
▶ 1:21:22>> but the point that I wanted to we agree on, because when we were in the natural, we there's program, I said, you know side I don't think foreign mining companies should be taking our pain. The american people owe royalty. That's lithium, that's our copper.
▶ 1:21:41We should be sending it up and we should definitely not so I actuy asked secretary burgum if he stop foreign adversaries taking our do you remember that? I'll quote it by all ears. >> okay. Secretary of said quote , I don't think we should be allowing.
▶ 1:22:07Do you agree with and I think solution to that is to a system where american investors can mineralsl minerals, and we also have to have the which it's almost impossible to permit a processing the to do have a an investments in
▶ 1:22:38Mining and we want to keep we as where we can, uh, further process come out of the ground. >> I think that that also but te question is, should we be allowing to be mining in now?
▶ 1:22:54There would bn committee that would a that fore corporation ownership of the chinese government or its in thy they can be mining.
▶ 1:23:18On our land so they could divest doing thatd to wait for. I'd love for it to happen. There would be getting r you're not getting our offer for free any of our materials. So I do that. Ant would actually then accomplish you just said burgum.
▶ 1:23:47>> I think we'll your amendment and, um, in conte amendment, I know those things get complicated, but I'm all for on american keeping ours can invest them and build our thank you, chairman I, for this amendment over and over again. >> I keep getting looked also st representative moore, representative molinari.
▶ 1:24:16I'm not saying your name correctly. The select committee says we shouldt consent. And I just say you, thh revise I raise it often, I don't think it was anybody on that study. I'm probably not our natural resources committee that probably energy than anybody else. Right.
▶ 1:24:47Because. I've got the permian basin. I got the geothermal, and so I care foreign. I about making sure protected and that e a say. I often how important that community is. The tribal areas. And so that is very important to me.
▶ 1:25:15You know,t happens, and I want to make, shc comment process and I have a comment, I have a mine was a proposal and, uh, I played as a, pecos, um, the pecos forest andd that watershed. And they operated there to the community.
▶ 1:25:46Is the process, they were, I submit, many might be. And under. The speed act right now, there's submitted some kind not have any authority to contest it. And judicial review . >> uh, I disagree that because I think comments.
▶ 1:26:11If an individual will comment that's um, maybe the same comment that a group makest unique because it came from an actual, um, not note that says s defined unique.
▶ 1:26:37>> I mean, if you if you unique? It's like it is not like somebody have two neighbors, you could have a page I need toe shown those meetings a lot of people, and they have the same concerns. And so I think if as a form, unique is not defined.
▶ 1:26:59And not saying we should get a whole I mean, I earlier and resources, I flew back from that that we cono definition of unique the websted that's what is not like is uh, so it was . Then. >> and the speed act and I believe.
▶ 1:27:27Uh, and the aim the unique and substantive portion is to massive email campaigns, which have during during. Comments all the time to your, chinese hunting amendment. Does your amendment prevent chinese buying stock in? >> would, uh, though the compan.
▶ 1:28:02Foreign company has, preventionf it's a a controlling stock. >> so, you know, think chinese the don't think they wat to see mining on, uh soil.
▶ 1:28:21So I possible that they would buy just enough ownership, uh, through a publicly traded company from mining. So on, your amendment, that may be the thint that's those are that are easily solved. >> I mean, prevent foreign adversaries. Wed on that. So there are ways in which we.
▶ 1:28:51Can prevent foreign adversaries or lithium, things that we and I think it's something that I'm going to say, I don't give the credit to the select china and be worried about china. That's is , you can't like I don't think be giving resource belong to the american people.
▶ 1:29:19They should all the, uht we should have that. >> that's an issue that we need to entirety. And complexity be a chinese in got e loopholes, make it one more way to stop mining in the united states.
▶ 1:29:43Can work on going forward, not the problem that an adversaries to take pressure. >> democrat, uh, and, issues rad today and I think the lady and you're talking public lands, umg sure that we're actually subsidizing strategic does get,e
▶ 1:30:19. So the issue of what these mat belonged, um, there's no guarantee that these foreign of a supply chain, um are probably going to stuff back to china.
▶ 1:30:35It's probably not going to provide us any benefit in sun for critical minerals a criticar republican folks who say they co have this incredible advantage won't work. With us on those guardrails.
▶ 1:31:03Know I, I know how it's going to, uh, should we should keep pressing the case this sort of unique. Piece of joe neguse was asking the statuf limitation is a dramatic six ye0 days. That is dramatically reduce legal challenges. But there's more.
▶ 1:31:30Just the statute l of the hoops people have to jum, or if. They happen to know about the claim and if they happen to meet missions. So you addressed a very important but then even o court, they've make that a meaningful exercise by preventing. Any injunctive relief as a remedy.
▶ 1:31:58So there's, uh, frankly, the critical judicial review, which. Is one of the only ways we can totallyy the have like these bills reforming the shoule giving foreign. Owned companies a fast track.
▶ 1:32:27And that's anytime I jump in exclude that. And with that, I back, uh, Mr. chair. Um uh to te populations connected with those so that genetic diversity.
▶ 1:32:59>> uh, I would >> all right. And if that's the case, Mr. mcgovern said. Earlier that that when they really in the first trump administration, nearly a a single year, is that accurate? >> uh, I don't was a third of them, but was regulateh by other states and at very hig.
▶ 1:33:27>> how long would epa to list ts just made wolves and suddenly numbers dropped below are syrian and continue population in order pon healthy, lower us fish lock. >> but it wouldn't take long at. >> wouldn't take them very, if l right. >> appreciate that.
▶ 1:33:58>> and Mr. chairman, since I'm the last one ask thing you didnn opportunity to expound on billsu presented, I thought remind everybody that we're, history we competitive areas that we haven't faced before, but to cop when it's critical good policy in place to missione
▶ 1:34:33American can do, uh, creating an environment where americans upper hand and that wk ethic in and we're going we, uh, provide the energy that's for any economy as we work. Uh,u can count on top I think that's one of the two large.
▶ 1:35:03It's an interest in doing permitting reforms in it. >> uh, gentlemen and concludes , this is that concludes uh, the testimony on these brief recessi have time for the once the firss gone, I will call Mr. balderson. Mr.
▶ 1:35:31To the table so n get started for the next panel. >> you can panel up here.
▶ 1:36:01>> I know Mr. byers. Mr. I knew from the becker. All right. And now, what can I welcome our second, uh, representative balderson and ranking member pollone from the a great commitl statement will be for the record. And we ask that you summarize your in five minutes. Go and get your water. Nothing for representing. Your testimony.
▶ 1:36:32You're now .
▶ 1:36:59Thank commerce committee has repeatedly heard from and federal massive or premature ren to baseload system. >> these are taking of the gridm without replacement.
▶ 1:37:13This is reh american electric reliability corporation, which is the nation's electrician, projects electricity demand to grow by 2s 115 gigawatt of baseload generation, with only a small.
▶ 1:37:45Amount baseload power to replace it. This is retirements that have already happened for the nation. At increased risk of black when weather events peak e for disaster for millions of americans . Faster decision to build decie have built means less cost.
▶ 1:38:06Will accomplish the for my bill powet define grid reliability, say this will apply this will apply on to to keep it reliable. This station strengthens.
▶ 1:38:33Congress provided an commissionk the north american electric reliability. Corporation is in y that grid reliability must be reviewed by ferc. Changes. No rule can be final. I have a significant impact on reliability, and today 3632.
▶ 1:39:02The power of my friend and colleague, commonwealth of bean share power plant retirements to not undermined. E requires power plants year advaf their plan, retire to enable to address liability loss under current law, ferc has the by plt
▶ 1:39:34Retirements. They open until certain. This legislation against. This authority and allow grid operators, as well as state of a power plant. If a closure would the. Bill provides for appropriate waivers operating. E two rules are practical electric system to lower american trustey supported. I yield back Mr.
▶ 1:40:01I re you full committee Mr. pallone. This time speak. >> thank you, Mr. chairman the . Once again, my opinion we're dre up american utility bills and pollute our nations this week and last week by the republicans.
▶ 1:40:31But instead of working with democrats, bipartisan permitting legislation energy, republicanse decided to go one way. And last . Week we debated three dirtied, uh, to dirty energy over energy and increase families. Already struggling to make ends meet.
▶ 1:41:00Uh, the doing it again wih these bills. I cannot emphasize enough these bills are simply not bipartisan issue. Dad wanteo give a. Include provisions to oe cancellation of oil assistance and prevent the president billsy have none of these amendments. .
▶ 1:41:31First. One six, the so-called reliable power act will. The energy regulatory commission or ferc, it didn't like. But when the energy and commerce republicans weren't, they admitted this was about clean t.
▶ 1:41:54Dumping coal ash wherever they want from poisoning our children's lungs and harmful greenhouse gases from the atmosphere. It's they're afraid administration wd want to endorse some of trump has stripped. So that they want ferc to be able to kill any attempt really a partizan ploy designed to poison and nation's energy regulator. Now, the second power plant or h.r.
▶ 1:42:23, that a ferc five years at a time for us, whether they were needed the pls wants to take the making any money. Now, republicans may be for free are proposing a power sector.
▶ 1:42:47Rd outcompete coal and natural gas, even if they inflation reduction act and so they want to increase electricity prices. The outdated and . It's on line longer and they want american it. Now. Mr. chaif you believe need to look at the department of energy.
▶ 1:43:15Families in the mid-atlc , midwest, starting the millions of to keep two aging in and. But the advantages only able to construct those plants to stay open would extend that to five years. So this bill increase utility bills across the nation for that reason.
▶ 1:43:39Bills, in my opinion, represent republican energy to drive up prices so high that on line for longer and line the fossil. Fuel friends and leave american. I don't think it's. Ae members of the with that, I yield back. Mr. chairmah for her. Thank you, Mr. chair.
▶ 1:44:11>> and as I look at the bills, I think reliable power plant reliability act of 2025. And just so you know, on saturday, soda negative 12 is even worse t happened. Oh I panicked okay I panicked talking about this.
▶ 1:44:35Uh and it went on. And so it was not it was shut down lines. But it's still, it's um, it's liability is incredibly important. It's kind of interesting that this came up today.
▶ 1:44:59I wanted chairman, um, you know, the, thy ensures that your power plant is, um, is shut down. Have a whg to happen. Maybe because. As our as our bill and demands grow, um, shutting down. And I don't want to say randomly gap.
▶ 1:45:26So I f you could just chair and miss f. Thank you very in ohio this weekend. We had six hours of snow on saturday and high. And I the same scenario that you had with my so that was gracious for that. Um, that Mr. is at home.
▶ 1:45:56So grid operators, um reliabilid that the new keeping pace. Uh, with the increasing demands both for both the states and to address these. Shortfalls that we're dealing with, right now, you, look, we know that represents the.
▶ 1:46:19State of ohio with the 13 states the last twod talked about will power right now. And keep up. So we give them the ability to do this. Uh and I feel legislationg run. And I appreciate it because it just to grow and. Grow and we need to address it and, so.
▶ 1:46:50>> okay. Uh. But, um, I appreciate that and thinking I yield back generally pass Mr. cn as miss scanlon for her. >> thank you. >> um, really impacted my district and has forced. Some of our aging power play open.
▶ 1:47:21>> my district is home to a lase white house and . Economically, uh, efficiently obsolete, want it. Open? The plants owner want to retire. Ums forcing this ineffectively unsustainable fossil fuel plant . Um, can you comment on this?
▶ 1:47:50Well, is trying to kind steroids, right? >> in other words, now do that for 90 days. And this no sense. And it's see electricity bills goes because. As you said, the plant is on the assumption that, um, you know. Right. It's.
▶ 1:48:22They know that. So the way to keep it open is by raising peak electricity bills go up. Right. Uh, but it's also ideologically oriented is basically the. We don't want any clean power.
▶ 1:48:38Right says and just want to help their friends and they ignore this poe pollution concerned. About it. But it just makes this plant operating. That's not efficient .
▶ 1:49:05Um, is going to cost more money to they're happy with that for 90 days. Uh, you know, for five years. Um, so that, uh, I miss miss fish. It also. A lot oftentimes the excuse, you know, somehow fossil, they're more reliable. The reform of electricity.
▶ 1:49:30Reliability and not reliable to why everybody. My colleagues on the republican colleagues on the, uf course, the president, he rid ol of the above is because figure out if you're the power plant, what's is.
▶ 1:49:58Where the efficiency is and where the cost is. And what says you can't do that? Foa period of time is eliminates a company from looking at all those things. And it's just not it makes unless you're just I think that I only want fossil fuels. Well, it's of bizarre. >> so in my dis plant is being.
▶ 1:50:31Ordered to stay open. It runs. It says no, it's losing money. It's not efficient that. Companies being hurt. The fact that it's inefficient. And, uh, not for the community. So it's so who is it helping? It's helping the needs. It, um, them make more money. Residents uh, goal here.
▶ 1:50:58But it seems to be, uh, we call it the higher rates for the. Loss of money. >> I think. >> thank you. It's back now. >> recognize gentleman from georgia. Mr. scott, for. The american people to policy that includes that includes nuclear power.
▶ 1:51:26And you know the additional. That's what it's going to take us to get here to get united states of america. And I just want to I the utilite state of public public utilities, public utilities boas . Donald trump doesn't set the utility rates.
▶ 1:51:54If utility rates, donald trump doesn't set the utility. Mr. chairman, I. Yield the remainder of my time. >> recognize mexico, Mrs. leger fernandez. I'm of course, thank you so very much. >> I'll be, uh, but I just wanted to get back to that based . On the amount it cost to buy energy.
▶ 1:52:22Uh and what is the most, uh, affordable city now being. Generated and built? >> clearly. My point is, we should allow these utilities to look. Cost across the whole power. It's important.
▶ 1:52:47The you cut out reneu this, uh forms of generating electricity that's entered into the that are they're going to be and actually put out right now.
▶ 1:53:07Wind and solar are the most urban without the subsidy and the reason why in my home state was. Trying to move towards more renewables were and was cut off by the trump administration. >> we the cheapest form. It wasn't ideal, it was.
▶ 1:53:35Based on the fact that they felt that I mean, it also has the advantage of. You don't you I mean, it's nice enough. >> won't bring the cost advantage of the latest technology. Looking forward, we need to innovate. We need to invest. Sense. Uh, I'm the last democrat at, uh, thank. You.
▶ 1:54:06>> member. Okay. Back >> gentlelady yields back. Uh, I would, since it's my time, I yield myself the most 40 have. And. One of the reasons we've seen an electric that we are closing down existing facility. Our. Baseload power, particularly. As we shut those down and we haven't. 632 addresses. We shut them.
▶ 1:54:34They have the consumers have to pay for both the only we don't have enough new being built to replace. And. Balderson, it's important that we keep those power plants open until we have something to replace them with back to that t now, two years quicker than whan bring new power.
▶ 1:55:03So they're the experts. They're the ones that put the being one that I represent. But you baseload energy on uh because we . Want to make sure that our constituents can turn those lit.
▶ 1:55:22Uh again, I'll refer back storm this weekend, and that also, um, it's very important that we keep baseload, but it's important that we keep this baseload. Ohio has power power r baseload coal.
▶ 1:55:463632 isn't it ofa way that ohio has the plant that they then determine. That that the people who need the cost of keeping that plant open so that the rate, if they had the plant, but somebody says that in the bill with that, I yield back.
▶ 1:56:19>> thank you, gentlemen, conclul number two. We will take a again . I believe with the full with the. Fox in a couple keep going but we'll get we'll take it thank you. Thank you gentlemen. You laugh.
▶ 1:56:40>> I really .
▶ 1:58:30>> representative. Now welcome our third fry and representative john paul from your full statement will be submitted for the record statement in. Five minutes. Welcome.
▶ 1:58:51Your testimony .
▶ 1:59:23And the attack? >> well, thank you. During the attack, kayla tried to not breathing, strangled with own iphone cord wrapped tightly around her and determined that kayla sexually assaulted. Her lifeless body. Her assailant robbed her. Of the $6 in her purse.
▶ 1:59:47Murder walter javier martin, 16 year old salvadoran national. Southwest border. In 2022. He admitted to authorities that his aunt paid to smuggle him U.S.
▶ 2:00:09Border, as is required by law, with, walter was transferred to the custody of the orbit and the department of health and human services, of tr dollars, were spent housing, food, counseling and for kayla, according to information in martinez's case file obtained by, hhs was far more interested in determining
▶ 2:00:39Fide as. Transgender or intersex. But about his gender y . Than they were. In finding out if he was an Ms. records also show that instead of conducting a his gang task, hhs and. Multiple opportunities bracelets, createn board, whatever is right.
▶ 2:01:05Practe thankfulness, positive bingo and receive counseling. Termination, racism xenophobia. The biden, harris even the records s friendly, positive, helpful, and a the wrong the promptly placed martinez although according to the records, his sponsor unclear pages even hhs have country, noa
▶ 2:01:44Has ran away just after one of g sponsor hhs after the murder that martinez left quote, he was dois country. Get in trouble on the streets. And hank would only after kayla's murder did any attempt out whether martin, it. Wasn't even our federal government.
▶ 2:02:10It was the e investigating kayla's murder learned. But authorities, that martinez was indeed anonymous. R illicit action with violent fedl official try to determine criminal history. Of a 16 year y illegally?
▶ 2:02:33Because the biden-harris registration just simply care instead, secretary of hhs sarah cared of dozens ofs out of hhs custody as quickly as possible.
▶ 2:02:48And as report noted, which is no bastion conservatism , the chair of to expedite si processing, saying, quote, if henry ford had seen this in hiss not the thing you do in a because of this careless approach, martinez's background and potential affiliation were never performed will require uso just not the usa is infected from
▶ 2:03:18Exploitation, but also to determine if the ufc presents presents a danger to others. For those 12 years of older chess will also conduct a screening for gang affiliation, a usc for gang history, criminal history conducted screening for martinez, kayla.
▶ 2:03:44Additionally, s perform feel that a uac 12 years of age or older satisfies certain history. Um usc will secure facn import into the. Interior of this country.
▶ 2:04:06The kayla hamilton cs are think is a very noble, uh, from those who wish to exploit them. We know that there are, this legisn closes, uh. In law that allows illegal aliens to sponsor. It also includes bars uac from beig placed. Uh with, uh, convicted criminals.
▶ 2:04:31Finally, the bill brc sponsor and adult way. They do not makes certain that uac receive the re. Background checks of doing the background. Uh, checking the. Sex offender registry or the foa child.
▶ 2:04:58Uh, is that share the gal . >> you're right thank you, mada. >> members of the rules. Kayla hamilton's death was a senseless. And my heart family . The. Anything to this from happening again. But responsibly getting together.
▶ 2:05:27Not weaponizing these to push under the guise of so-called preventing child trafficking. This accompanied kids like invas and make it harder to release them from victims protection reauthorization act of 2008. That consent. I do.
▶ 2:05:57>> we were working on reforms that are set aside longstanding protections. >> right now, these kids are spending custody than ever. Amidst this d this bill anything. Instead it's down on. Cruelty, subjecting children for, quote, gang.
▶ 2:06:26Tattoos and would force they'reo have gang to or be involved in a gang in gang tattoo, they sent reyes barrios, a professional soccer player who the to the noe real rail meant agua, the tradin claimed there jose alvarado, as,
▶ 2:06:59The member of to his tattoo honoring someone wit. But also about any due this bill also as kids, the ability to be placed with their parents if they are not cardholders, preventing kids from being placed. To go to lovs and force them to languish less. Government will not help prevend promote families separation.
▶ 2:07:31This bill also dhs the immigrats of the home of a kids sponsor or aiding the administration's efforts. Moms and. Dads over murderers and deadly since president trump's inauguration, countless stories have emerged ice parents conduce dating so-called precursor for g unaccompanied children and their
▶ 2:08:03Guardians into custody is clearly aimed at that project. So ice can meet miller's. Target okay treats kids favorably and this bill would only make things worse. The kids docket at immigration court, I went there I saw wouldy most americans. Kids as young as five.
▶ 2:08:31One kringle trying in comx legal that they struggled to understand. Can you. Imagine a five year old speak english reps in court, being instructed by a judge child, right to call witness and witness sees ice a full grown adult and challenging whas
▶ 2:09:01Like an absurd nightmare, but it is for too many kids. Our system does a kids and this would make it worse. It's e american party is focused on eradicating trump and secretary from the homeland security investment agents who are normal tasked with going, instead been sold operations when, instead of working on criminals, they're
▶ 2:09:35Patrolling the list to after random people they think might be. They latino or they speak spanish approximately 33 . And if we really want to protecf death.
▶ 2:09:59But guns week, following the anniversary horrific shooting at sandy hook , we are mourning the death of n america brought diversity to people murdered and an entire campus was traumatized. Several students who other school shot . This the president and the is sl large and yet.
▶ 2:10:23I don't see any effort to take well shootings at schools are. We also witnessed a horrific that , and saving his wife. The only reason the death toll wasn't higher, and the shooters could only at a time.
▶ 2:10:50S is australia because the stronge protection in the are. They're g taking further guns. That's whae should be. If we care about protecting our kids and. >> thank you, Mr. trump. I'm going to my questions for a moment and I'll recognize Mr.
▶ 2:11:23Norman. Questions? Mr.? >> thank both of for being here. I think you're familiar tn our district. You had a young lady who's a mother of two drivers. She was randomly targeted, surrounded, and shot at by a group of illegal alienss unaccompanied alien children. 1.
▶ 2:11:58If previous administration had conducted on a alien before release, the sponsors of the community think that this came up today. >> well, I do, and I think I thk there's an assumption unaccompanied alien child comes into the country that they're in , right.
▶ 2:12:23And many times maybe they are, uh, kayla in maryland or miss thompson are nt vetted, right? They cost. 5000 ewoks during the bible. Uh, none of them, uh, very few of them ae country, uh, were not. Well vetted at all. Um, checks on th.
▶ 2:12:54Uh, and then they number storied this, like, almost every. Peoplg unspeakable atrocities. So I think it's plausible. Uh, it may have revealed something. And miss thompson in south korea of two,, or small kids would still be.
▶ 2:13:22>> well, not sure they make sense for indicate gang member type. That do routis the norm. >> anyone's at 12 years old. Who have you know, and so if, maybe that's a little bit of alarm. Maybe means, uh, if they're coming, maybe we should call hamilton's case, it was the local called, uh, that.
▶ 2:13:51Who is this kid? And they said, oh, yeah, he has associated. With these. With with these. We had done that. If we had a little is country would still be alive today. Maybe miss thompson. >> shot in lancaster with interpol. He had filed or decide to, uh, thank.
▶ 2:14:19For putting the bill up. I appreciate your. I y. >> thank you. >> thank you, Mr. >> no, I, I want to thank you ve more aligned with Mrs. chappell's. What to kayla hamilton is a terrible tragedy. I that. Uh, no child subjected to that violence. Um.
▶ 2:14:44And do. I think to, uh, to better protect our that too often. Being brought before this committee is more for political, uh, purposes than it is for actually, um, you abot protecting the people of this country.
▶ 2:15:07I, community meeting in my district outrage n president trump pardoned the, uh, one of the biggest narco traffickers in the streets with drugs that silence? Um, I get people who still ask me, you know, why can't release.
▶ 2:15:34The survivors. Them, you know, are demanding it. And yet, you know . It took almost a miracle. And then you know, we're now being told all these. Efforts to frustrate their release. I mean , sometimes I just think that washington is out of.
▶ 2:15:59Sync with where people need to do a better job of protecting the people. At the, you know, I express my friend all this today and bills that are raised, um,. Environment and bills that are coming and every town all I've been doing and one in pennsylvania together.
▶ 2:16:26People are worried about losing their health care. I mean, millions of people can't make a decision that they can't afford health insurance. And. And by the way, that's not required to human right for those who let me tell you, that's expensive, because then their health most expensivn talk about how you want to
▶ 2:16:58Change the system and all that kind of now we have four days left. He's sessi, anything to anybody keep their health care that just so them and. I don't know, I don't know whether you if you do, thit people are talking about., not , not just the health.
▶ 2:17:26Health care. Should you be here? But do not believe that the priorities of this congress, of the majority people in this country, with that, I thank mcg. >> Mr. scott here. Well thank you, madam chair.
▶ 2:17:51>> and I, too am very I, uh, thd there have false accusations made by today. Um and I just like lot of statement things that happened in irwin county. Tell me. Exactly how many medical procedures were done, said about those. >> why be exact data?
▶ 2:18:18I don't have it in front of me, he had g from had those procedures done to them. Uh sir, I'm happy to give you all of the was appropriately closed down because of procedures done to them without and. They were waking up from those procedures suddenly.
▶ 2:18:47They were not able to have facility. >> so were there medical procedures done at, sir? They were all done at the irwina physician? Actually won the lawsuit. Universal. Are you? There were. Two. Two, both of which were deemed or peer necesu should check your. Facts.
▶ 2:19:20>> I'm happy back and do that. We to have. >> you to. You defamed a man who, by the way, of america. About one of the local small town facilities and everything. You said was a lie. May I, with another. Lie?
▶ 2:19:47Be medicallyy under peer review the remaindere . Um I have a number that is end to. >> all right. You. >> uh, all I.
▶ 2:20:13>> well, let me just first say that it is in you to call a member of congress a take down y testimony for us who had medical procedures performed. And you can judge for yourself. But I lt think that's appropriate. If a gentleman take down his words.
▶ 2:20:42Madam chair, and not have callea liar. >> Mr. Mr. I'm. Happy for you to present to the have regulations. You have five days to position to us going to recognize Mr. scott. He wants to say something good. >> you good.
▶ 2:21:11Apologize for calling you a liar. I do believe the is. I will tell you, madam chair just liar. I ae committee, and I will not object to those words being. I look prf the evidence that count? >> yes. It counts. Yes it counts. Thank you very much, miss. Miss scanlon.
▶ 2:21:51>> I'd like to yield some time to Mr. mcgovern. >> enough to be on either, because basically it's the. Same. You're saying the same thing. Um you know, and we have heated exchanges to me, the lots of people that come, you kn my response because they're so over.
▶ 2:22:20I I've heard anybody ever in this committee before. >> well, Mr. scott, taking back his were on floor. Miss jayapal. That would be. I the cs .
▶ 2:22:45Word and I understand what happens in that case, I'd like from this sit and recognize miss scanlon for her questions. Yeah. >> I don't even know that we would normally take advantage of on the their words a lie. The offensive.
▶ 2:23:13Um, and, um, and I withdraw all those statements. Uh appropriate. He could have. He could disagree with the staty he has other information debateg someone. What they just said an absolute lie is the same thing. Stricken from the record. >> thank you, Mr. mcgovern. I n. >> madam, this is my district.
▶ 2:23:46It's less. Than 30 minutes. Here's there was peer reviewed. They were deemed to be medically necessary condition. The physician a. Multi multi man lawsuit.
▶ 2:24:07Against nbc of the lies told against him about him and referred as a uterus collector. I believe it's what they . Um, so not your. That's that's not what nbc said.
▶ 2:24:32The no medical procedures, no son at the county detention facility. They were hospital okay. >> thank you for that. Clear uh , Mr. paul, I will recognize I've committee. >> I was on your committee for e judiciary committee for years. Republican.
▶ 2:24:59And in very contentious debate. Have I been called a liar that the gentleman is misreported. First of all, said those words. Uterus collector lawsuit was settled. There are numerous . Settled where there is no fine is a settlement and there are numerous resettled.
▶ 2:25:27But we intoa lot of the aisle to sit in this committee called things, lies is absolutely been fair when I not in this situation, in committee down all of. Those words, including that said, were lies. True.
▶ 2:25:52I don't I will move on. But I would like to add down those. Well, god. Has apologized to you. And so words will be stricken from the record. What said was a lie. Um I will be great as I appreciate that. And I'm. I think maybe miss not as miss.
▶ 2:26:26Scanlon >> thank you for your testimony, representative jayapal, because I've spent a time, uh, in the um, like you, I have seen their children have been forced to represent them. Our government has not treated children. I. Appreciate your refocusing the that effect that this bill. Well, as someone's.
▶ 2:26:58Tragedy and the tragic loss of the young for whom it's name address the underlying issues. And I appreciate mentioning that it can lead to invasive government cuss deportation over actually finding placements for these folks.
▶ 2:27:22And then resources, protecting americans trafficking from human trafficking, from national, uh, threats, because so many of our been diverted to trying.
▶ 2:27:41No crid whatsoever, I your testimony on that. And I would just ask if you have everythinge to say on this, anything to fix some of the real issues.
▶ 2:28:05>>, there was, uh, uh, kids who were kept over the time that they're these facilities because of these mass detention policy over . 225 judges have detention. This mass detention effort, of the donald trump and I, including allowing our, uh, federal law enforcement to focus on child exploitation away.
▶ 2:28:34From that, to focus in disappearing. And I appreciate . >> well, like you, I've seen chn they're detained in, in. Basically prison like setting. Um, and. So I appreciate the work you're doing there symone,k you. >> thank you. Miss.
▶ 2:29:03You're recognized. I thank the chairwoman, Mr. fry, in. The administration, uh, under there was a significant number of unaccompanied that at that timen top danger. >> uh, and moving unaccompanied children into the united states protection as well.
▶ 2:29:32Surge during the continued even under biden. >> and then the president trump's administration. And there was a, growth of the of the then the. Trump administration reacted and took to try to stem the tide of the flow.
▶ 2:29:58There's a very large numbering about the treatment of children who are to on a basis y objective, the sex trafficking trade. As a result of the flow,. Is that correct? He uh under the previous administration.
▶ 2:30:23We had the reporting of the problems that we were dealing. As you pointed in your testimony. Right. Hardly a. New york timess talking on purposely trying as many. Children out as possible to get them out of detention facilities.
▶ 2:30:50Uh, to, u, but in doing so, what happened? We ended fairly large number of children unable to be found. The oig, the inspector general of dhs, where hundreds of thousands of children that they couldn't.
▶ 2:31:15It doesn't all lt means they didn't know totally e case of kayla ran sponsor a month after he him until after he so they didnt know where he was. The sponsor never reported it. Never did a s check on him to see if he would. >> and I just right now.
▶ 2:31:43Can we just have a little bit of common sense we were talking about someone in the order unaccompanied alien children during the biden, uh, I remember we. Uh, and we were debating h.r. Two in committee,e being.
▶ 2:32:11The only way, way. To stem the tide in the flow of alien children and people, to have comprehensive. Immigration. Reform. And it was was this is e only possible way to stop this. Oh did we pass that? >> uh, we did 11 months?
▶ 2:32:41>> I think the president said, e country when we first came in. W resident. >> now, to the point of the law . This, as well as laws like h.r. Two. We are responsible creation flow of thr , working to identify children as tom have repeatedly trying to actually successfully it's a now to find them, uh need law?
▶ 2:33:11Wouls like h.r. Two going forward? The gentleman respond, is it not to prevent abuses of unaccompanied alien is effectively political shield? Is it kayla hamilton is not ethan murdered. Um, so that his wonderful mother.
▶ 2:33:38Is who just remember that order because of this, that we would avoid that place to door that we can protect this no, I think that'sy why we should remember these loopholes. If you look at this, for instance without even backgd check and completed. So we sent children.
▶ 2:34:03Unaccompanied alien children to have a registry. Their fbi background check. We do with sponsors that we have no. Right? That we that we have not adequately done a background for one uh, this whole exercise entirely preventable. We already do.
▶ 2:34:30I heard you know, I heard about this. Kids are going to be medical screening of children when they come into our country. All we're saying is, bill is, hey, while you're doing that medical tattoo on their forehead and if they. So the rem in a for them and everybody, so that we would not kayla hamilton. So, uh, Mr.
▶ 2:34:55Roy, I think you're let's close these loopholes and have a little bit so in. Summary over, over five minutes and to ewoks, they're making properly vetting is designed to protect children who are currently of our broken system. Correct.
▶ 2:35:18Butu have. >> this should never happen to anybody. I can to protect our children.
▶ 2:35:42Um, and I think we should do whatever states and that's why one of the. You know, moving on from that basic sense of humanity, ue are children in the united states and, and, uh, madam chair, to enter into the record, uh, november 16th, from the time.
▶ 2:36:14Uh, under president to americans safe has come from combating terror with protection goes the path about any of secus investigating have been redeployed to immigrant crackdowns for weeks at a time, hampering pursuit of child predators.
▶ 2:36:42Uh federal efforts back home is and sex . The investigating. Child exploit dropped. 33. Hany farid, a computer go after these kinds cases.
▶ 2:37:09I'm quote ane about. Kids when you're diverting actual results and on, protect women from. That the people they are stealing do furthermore right. T it's this.
▶ 2:37:39Diversion of resources. Jared, can you speak to your concern about this in my opening testimony that the research that are being diverted teaching cases are and we have consistently seen that this animal of the worst.
▶ 2:38:02Y think when trump said he was do that a lot people in the country said, great, we all want we all that to happen happening3 of the who have been in detained, no criminal record. Whatsoever. And of the most. Noo children talking about here.
▶ 2:38:27Wee not talking about just screening . And I really appreciate congressman to protect a child who had a child murdered, that. Absolutely horrific. I think that. As a mom myself, I know that that human response we all want that what this.
▶ 2:38:55Bill does represent a pleasure. Subject age of. 12 up on a forehead search activity. And we know that it uses.
▶ 2:39:15Tattoos as the primary deter seen over ando and that was certainly not the case these people were sent to court to prisons te point is well intentioned as it.
▶ 2:39:42Is, does not actually. It makes the treatment of children unaccompanied children worse mys .
▶ 2:39:59It know, the odd to detain an unaccompanied child and then wir family member if they're not a us. That is also a problem. So there understand the intent, but the bill is what it seems I think t.
▶ 2:40:26We're not we're not putting the intent cares, uh, deeply about federal law enforcement. We've we've talked about to get better training uh officers. Sot is that we that there aren't these consequences that resources back. That's resources back. Into fighting sexual. Exploitation. And trafficking. And does anything.
▶ 2:40:57>> pleasure miss. Pleasure. Fernandez Mr. griffin, uh, so, Mr. fry, before you joined energy and commerce, I was chairman of or office of jurisdiction the children who are energy. >> and I've you're absolutely right. When you said check it all. What?
▶ 2:41:26They checked on the people for f background check not do backgroy did not do an fba it was absolutely appalling to secretary research. This moment. And as a result they checking the home the children were going into.
▶ 2:41:50They said they would do it have, you know, somebody to the location and say, this is where we're at. Domestic relations field for a number of years with commonweala who gave a child under those circumstances would because thee benefit, the benefit to, virtuay
▶ 2:42:22Nil. And. Drove me crazy. They didn't notify the department of social services child a in roanoke county, virginia. They didn't notify that of roanoke ca was coming there. They I would have accepted one. So the schools didn't. These children and the social services check on they weren't doing background checks.
▶ 2:42:51All we're not about, yot would be considered standard for of american. I said at the time and I'll say it today, madam chair, and I want you agree with me or not. Mr. fry, d came into the custody. They mayt once that.
▶ 2:43:14Child, we have an obligation to protect that and r point about what state judges I mean, practiced law, so have I. I just enforcement and almost like super technical way states make sure that that home is suitable for its. We can think that that's overbearing when you have a really example .
▶ 2:43:42But here, uh, we just regard o who actually lives in the town checks by way, of the other adults that lived in the house, we even wait for those two. >> we didn't even do some otherd that one, but some some other people who might be living in the house. Is that what you're t sufficient, right? You got to do more.
▶ 2:44:07I agree, because not onlyi think we lost about 75,000 kids where we didn't know were, but we their investigation showed that the unaccompanied minors who. Crossed the border and placed into.
▶ 2:44:23Or who were sent, they checking and doing child labor, uh, under the table and not have used for child. >> I don't think the new york times report had anything human, but they certainly had it on. And we allowed that to happen. This bill closes that closely. Does it not?
▶ 2:44:54>> uh, I think I think it trafficking. I mean, there was a case in forward and said that tt her hair, uh, abused her for years. Right. So these are the because smart in this country and protect. >> well, not only not doing them smart. This is that our cot systems usually hold for. Uh in this country, much less parents of moving into.
▶ 2:45:25With that, madam, I yield chair, I yield. Much. And Mr. griff saying what saying, Mr. fry, I saying I want. To I want. To associate myself with the comment that said what we really is the safety and children as well.
▶ 2:45:52As the victims, the people who were categorized unaccompanied children who really here. For positive purposes. Lot of sympathy to go around here. I agree with griffin and with gov.
▶ 2:46:21The biden administration handled it in terms. Of letting in all people children and a lot of harm and I appreciate what Mr. fry is doing. At in one instance. Get some. Control over this.
▶ 2:46:46But there's a blame to around during the biden administration on how children and adults. So um, with that says, until immediately after the start of the last amendment testimony
▶ 3:16:15. I.. Will reconvene now. Invite miss stansbury, miss , to come to the witness table. The stansbury I.
▶ 3:16:38Believe first, I didn't over there, Mr. harris. I believe your testimony. And you've been here you know the spiel. Five minutes? Yes. >> thank you all right. All right, well, good evening.
▶ 3:17:03>> and chairwoman and ranking member mcgovern, I once again in front of the rules committee and proud to testify an amendment that submitted to the speed act, that. To safeguard tribal sovereignty. And for that bill, amendment is essential to permit upholds its trust in treaty responsive tribes, not only mexico, but across the country.
▶ 3:17:31Just start by asserting what I believe to be a simple. It bad deal for the american people, while permitting processes. In reality, it makes back against when are harmful to communities, projects. To move forward with limited public public participation. The bill restricts.
▶ 3:17:54This can consider while making major purpose in the scientific as a base, sincey can have, sustain and. Sometimes irreversible mpas. We're talking .
▶ 3:18:14About millions or lands that could be by mining, by oil, by the development of dams and water projects, without this bill imposes unrealistic timeline. It difficult communities to participate challenge these harmful projects .
▶ 3:18:37Such that ultimately, the speed act would further harm ths excluded from deadly. Hoods. Their well-being, their cultural, their self-determination.
▶ 3:18:53And that is why our amendment to safeguard tribal sovereignty bill by including a savings clause this act impair or waive the inherent or the tribe, neither or , limit or modify responsibilities of the federal government to our tribe and I
▶ 3:19:25Believe that this should be a common sense amendment. It does not change the underlying. It provides. Clarity and certainty. The cultural and historic rights of the american people, of our communities will be fully respected. This. Amendment should be a no brainer. We continue tribal sovereignty across the country, communities time and again.
▶ 3:19:52We are seeing it by this administration without meaningful consultation from tribal nations, including is like oak flat arizona and chaco cove. Undermining inherent sovereign authority and trust and obligations with potential devastating. And irrevocable consequences.
▶ 3:20:18Oak flat, the federal government is attempting to move forward multinational mining company, despite overwhelming nations for whom the site is sacred through cultural and spiritual resources extraction, is seeking to protected cultural lands development near the ancestral sites and people, endangering
▶ 3:20:49Cultural landscapes and the right communities whose histories and ideas, lands . These examples make clear that ignored sacred sites are put at risk. Nations broken, and harms will occur, and that is why this amendment. To ensure that the federal government upholds its this body is centering the rights and voice.
▶ 3:21:19And so I urge all of you to join us in to adod I thank you. >> thank you, stansbury. Dr. harris, you're recognized. Uh. And I'm, uh, testifying on amendments. >> have to do with hr four, seven, seven, six. >> uh, Mr. van drew and Mr.
▶ 3:21:46Smith of new the problems, uh, center around , uh, that is that there were offshore wind inc. Bypassed uh, a lot of the normal, uh. In the bureau of ocean energy management announced things. So, for instance, as you may know, madam, in the world ep in subject to hurricanes. It just hasn't been sea.
▶ 3:22:16But not have hurricanes. They have high winds, know from what happened in block island, and one of them lost a blade and it wasn't a hurricane. Uh, and again, so we believe that te previewed for, uh, adequacy. Uh furthermore not require. Decommissioning bonds to have a hurricane.
▶ 3:22:47Break apart. There is clean anyh afterwards, guard search and is. We from all effects. Well documented, commercial and sportsman. We think that. It's reasonable, uh, when reason to believe that a permit has been has been issued without due regard for remand of the permit.
▶ 3:23:14Uh, that the department or for a court case to go forward to request consideration. So eighte golden amendment, which was added in committee and the uh, e permit holder. Now madam chair, you only have to think about peo agree to a remake for.
▶ 3:23:39So againt what an administrations hands from duration did. Now the next administration administration. It may administration takes shortcuts on proposals. I think that there should be allow or remand administration should be given amendment eight strikes.
▶ 3:24:04The amh prohibits remand, just merely says, and I listen to some of the it's wind. Solar and wind learn wind . It's solar onshore wind and offshore wind is frequently grouped together with onshore radically different uh, offshore .
▶ 3:24:30To 4 to 5 times more expensive than subjecting the wind to hurricane off the and maryland. Tether doesn't make sense. We think there actually should be a have, consideration when you're expensive source of. Energy that is essentially burn wind, offshore wind just completely would remove offshore wind from the from the amendment.
▶ 3:24:58Ten, which in. Ocean city and jurisdictions in Mr. van districts have spent hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars filing a cae of maryland, which, by the way, won't get into subsidizing, you know, foreign compared dollars but they sued, uh, bill is
▶ 3:25:30Constructed if this lawsuit drags on, we will of what you are allowed to litigate against midstream. I mean, they've the law. And what we're going to do is say, well, lot of money also amendment ten simply says that if a. Project the administration and.
▶ 3:25:59Between the inauguration day of 2020, they jurisdictions are depending upon that remand, it will be permittr words, it's effective the date h the amendment ten, to the ability for an end. Uh, again, you don't retrospectively change. I've been a legislator for a while.
▶ 3:26:26I've always midstream is not a good way for a legislature to so those are the three amendments. And again, questions. >> thank you very much, doctor. Uh, Mr. norman, do you have any questions? >> just using this as an example. Keystone pipe will invest a lot of money. Uh, over the years, restoration. Stop the keystone pipeline.
▶ 3:26:55You had trumd rightfully keystone pipeline down there, if an administration remember their protections in this bill that says, 150 days or 180 days of file lawsuit. But if you file that lawsuit within, uh, that the agency should complete record.
▶ 3:27:23And right they can't. So, for instance, I heard maybe an amendment offer to say, well okay. You can open the record for that. Well it's affecting marine mammals or how you're in the commercial and sports fishing industry or, or in. Rescue with the coast guard .
▶ 3:27:47Well, those, uh, I think it's to allow a complete review when you think not proper review, you should not have by, I think by case in my distrr does this coming behalf of the department asking for a romantic that something se shortcuts were to ask for our mt
▶ 3:28:19Permit, in project. >> uh, pretty well. Stops any further? Yeah. >> I guess, pending. Pending th. I'll. Thank you very much,. >> you're recognized. >> I thank you both have thank . Scott. >> thank you.
▶ 3:28:43For >> I don't generally speaking, uh, as your it affect pending litigation and have voted no on some other . Thank you. Very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you for testifying on the importance.
▶ 3:29:14And I think that was an interesting might many issues. Agencies is kind of there. May be new testimony and you might not disagree with that. A agency comes with and want to be able to, uh, go to court. Yes. Vice versa.
▶ 3:29:42>> I actually heard your testimony, and you're new evideo light, we defense related again in the case of real credible the mammal, it hadn't studied, how would its effect on marine mammals is that. That's new evidence. That was evidence were issued. So. Again I the things. You've said and during the first panel, which h.
▶ 3:30:13>> and thank you, madam chair. Are? >> fernandes is batting 100. It's two, two times either. Oh my goodness. The world must be. The world must become. Um. Is there anyone else seeking our four, seven, seven, six, 8 or 13?
▶ 3:30:39845 hr 361632 or hr 437 seeing none. This closes the hearing portion of. Uh. I'm going I have some guests. Here. Don't know everyone's name, but randy and betty. Marion from mooresville here. Uh, and they.
▶ 3:31:08Brought us with. Them to, um, visit the noon, and out today in. And then I have, who, um, has been an intern for him. Boone. And the shadowing me. Uh, um, so I thank them for being here. Jackson. The committee stands in recess center, but.
▶ 3:31:42Members should stay close.
▶ 4:03:23In the. Chair will be in receipt of a motion from new york. Mr. langworthy, sir, I move committee grant h.r. 47, to act. >> the rule waives consideration of. The rule provides one by the chair and the ranking minority members of designees.
▶ 4:03:50The nature of a substitute recommended by the committee and printed in bill shall be considered as adopt, shall be re waives all points bill as amended. The rule makes an order only in the rules committee. Report each amendment.
▶ 4:04:10The order printed in the report may be offered only shall be considered as read andy divided and contained in an opponent. Shall not be subject to be subject to a demand for division of the the rules committee report are waived.
▶ 4:04:34Ten to rule further provides for consideration of 136, six. The mining order agait consideration. Will the amendmen the nature of suit recommended by the and natural the bill. Be considered as printed in shall e considered as read. The rule waives all order bill, as amended.
▶ 4:05:01It provides one hour general debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and the ranking officers or their respective designees. The rule t the rule further provides for consideration livestock protectn act, a closed rule. The rule waives all points of order.
▶ 4:05:22Thet of the nature of such recommended by now printed in te bill, shall be considered adopted in the bill be considered as read. The amended, the rule provides equally divided in control by the chair and the ranking minority member.
▶ 4:05:43Or their respee designees provides for consideration of air liable power act under a closed rule against. Consideration of the bill in the nature of recommende committee and energy and printed as adopted in the bill points of order against the rule.
▶ 4:06:11Provides one hour of general debate. Equally devoted ranking minority member of the committee at energy rule provides one motion to recommit for consideration of. H.r. 3632 liability act of 2025 under a closed rule order against consideration of the bill.
▶ 4:06:34The rule provided is readf order against the rule, provides one hour of general debate equally divided chair and ranking minority member of the committee on energy designees. The rule provides one motion tof h.r. 43 seth moulton closed rule, the rule waives all poultry rule.
▶ 4:06:59The rule provides that the amendment, in the nature of judiciary now printed in the bill, shall be considered. Bill, considerede rule against provisions in the bill as amended. The rule debate , equally divided and controlled by the chair and the ranking of the judiciary or their respective designee and . Finally, one motion to recommit. Where are they?
▶ 4:07:34>> you've now heard the motion and or amendment to the rule. >> Mr. mcgovern, we have a brief , uh,, who has a couple of amendments. >> so one, two, three, four, and on h.r. Six, the speed act, uh, according oft were.
▶ 4:07:5825 of those amendments submitted were 1, uh, of the amendments, uh democratic or submitted on time in compliance. With with this committee, required.
▶ 4:08:18I look at this,, the only amendments that are made six of them are republican amendments I just want to, because, um, this now, um, me thinking way this place should yield. >> happy to yield. Thank you. >> when to h.r.
▶ 4:08:474776, the. 25 democrats amendments. Ten of them were non germane or consistent with prior committee practice. That 40% eligible to be made in.
▶ 4:09:13>> and that word germane uh stre you've brought up the amendment to that. >> so I've asked the staff keeping somewhat broken about this before.
▶ 4:09:39We only we only 30 all of our rules have been closed at the rules committee. And I think that's that. With the practices for and Mr. mcgovern, as I did, that when amendments are already.
▶ 4:10:02Woe vote that those amendments are generally order chairwoman. But again, by her own admission thae blocked, all of the only. Amendments made in order.
▶ 4:10:31Republican amendment admitted late. So I could and I want the record to reflect. I don't think that's the way this place should be run. But having said that, to miss ledger fernandes. >> thank you, madam. Pleasure. Fernandes, you're recognized. >> thank you to move. Was both germane and timely and that I.
▶ 4:11:01Don't think would have upset the so an amendment to the rule. I move the committee to make an order amendment myself to h.r. 4776. The speed act amendment would simply move to, uh, from the section that stated to file, uh, a court proceeding who. Court iy disagree.
▶ 4:11:27With the agency's action and whether the nepa process and if we're going to have make it available way act is written . If you're only allowed. To file a proceeding, it a comment . So did you have the that makes sense.
▶ 4:11:54I'm not suggesting we get if submitted a comment and it was unique. And the if more r concern, it's no longer unique.
▶ 4:12:07It's an comes up that is shared by cannot they from taking it to next step because it's not unique and there is definition for unique and so get rid of two words and unique sample. Uh, there is mine.
▶ 4:12:30Uh, and as I said earlier, and kid and I still go and hike it home county that I'm there were a lot are concerned about that mine. So they and this will go through the nepa process.
▶ 4:12:50One of the neighbors submits a comment that comment is no longer unique because it's been submitted I wo do, is to forward, you keep that in, there is nothing eliminated through. Judicial process. And you know, earlier said.
▶ 4:13:14Well, we want we don't want to deal with these comments that, there form letters. I come. From humble, you understand this a place that's similar to place I come from. Right. Villages. We might not have phds or.
▶ 4:13:34But we know when we are worried about something, we on a form letter might be similar to a form letter. It's be unique. And we're not going to be an to have that judicial process, which means the judicial procedure available to anybody.
▶ 4:14:01And I think that we would want whether you're in administration, basically saying the administration is always and we know that administration is not always and so what you get in administration, the ag be white because you are cutting off to
▶ 4:14:33Bring judicial action. And so I think it's important to think about that, that I communities who are closest to the poverty . The agency got to go into the court process that from dc. These things we should let the going to live with the consequences, okay, and be able safe.
▶ 4:15:02So that's what madam chair . And I don't think it was huge. We it. We were trying to work it out. I don't think we bill. Uh itself. I have this democrat, um, this amendment. Brought by a democratic was not considered.
▶ 4:15:24So, um, but I do tha fernandez. Is there any further . From miss leger fernandez. Siy saying I. >> I don't know in the opinion amendments. >> not a great term. This vote..
▶ 4:15:57Fishback. >> no, Mr. norman. Mr. norman. Thomas. Charlie. No. Mr. soutien , this is. Mr. scott? Mr. scott? No jack. No. . Mcgovern. Miss. Scanlon, I. Mr. negus miss. Leger fernandes, I. Chair. No. Madam. Chair ayes, nine ayes. >> they. Ledger fernandes. >> no. Thank you.
▶ 4:16:27I move the committee, make an order myself. But events this benefiting a mining project operated by a entity of concern or anti of china or some other. Maybe venezuela. Right.
▶ 4:17:02Royalties when they take our an. National companies. And as I mig companies right now are not a member corporation we. Allow.
▶ 4:17:30From the laws that we are passing and. This out of the china law, and we are, chinese corporations? Chinese. Interests.
▶ 4:17:58And so I think if we're make them pay for our our copper, we should when we pl public for their disposal. Simple want to give china.
▶ 4:18:25Public lands. And these are the kinds of don't think it would have taken down. I made it a stronger bill for america. And with that, madam chair,. >> any further questions you , ma'am, all those saying I opin chair of the. No. Everything re.
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▶ 4:19:38Amendment hearing none. The question is on all by saying I.. The clerk Mrs. fischbach. Mr., s him the I Mr. scott. Mr. scott. Mr.
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▶ 4:20:43>> I miss scanlon will and.