▶ 0:07:01Its cable infrastructure needs to not so safety records remain secure. Of all of both. We. See cave undersea pipeline damage. To as we all know, our nations acting exploio strengthen for the sake of.
▶ 0:07:34Unity, h.r. Two enforcement innovate. And control that of 1968 to exclude. Gentile devices of the . Term firearm. Currently place a than lethal equipment or devices in this firearms.
▶ 0:08:02This classification is more difficult for law. We can'. >> we should correct so that law enforcement is best. The.
▶ 0:08:16One of the organization quote, there's any resource secr and energy states in the supply
▶ 0:08:47Chain vulnerable to disruption. We've heard for critical minerals can be used to climb we should be workn right here in america.
▶ 0:08:59As theirt the senate to conduct an supplyf the in the energy security resources ie
▶ 0:09:34Sessions. Will these three measures that. For . >> thank you chair. Don't seem. To be about helping working families for my constituents. I would argue not . Even about making people's lives.
▶ 0:10:03It's republicans once again snapping to an interest. While regular people get screwed over. First, we've got h.r. 261, the c cable you realize it coast operate a marine. Sanctuary. So that's dive boat guides and.
▶ 0:10:33Whale watching tours. The small of the rules. If this bill becomes businesses still have. To follow the rules. Exemption r billionaires. Kurt d if this republican have the tools that can be clear, lethal force.
▶ 0:11:01But this bill takes a it exempts is from for every. Shooting. People who are currently prohibited. That means devices that are subject to back would become untraceable.
▶ 0:11:25No accountability that the escalation to mean it doesn't sound like it's going. Finally, there's h.r. 3670. The act. I ar , to confirm that it republicand a critical back for two lines.
▶ 0:11:57Critical energy resources. It can or. What? So that concerns in our and release chemicals in their why is this what we should time? People are groceries are up. Energy costs are up.
▶ 0:12:24But hurricanes are fine with risingd doing nothing when big corporate looters want something. When donors want something to it.
▶ 0:12:37We saw it last year with the healtr millions, so the wealthy could get rules committee as pay people ag I don't have the money to pay a lobbyist or mission to the right pac, help american people see this plain .
▶ 0:13:10And in washington it is that I yield back.. First panel chairman westerman, your representative. Your ask that you summary statement of ie you, my, chairwoman foxx and I appreciate the fight
▶ 0:13:41Today on this important legacy l role in global economy. >> these undersea cables with. Uh, this outer part is mainly in the little tiny fiber. Strands.
▶ 0:13:56And the fiber strands that believe t one of these little . Move 400 to 800gb from about over six.
▶ 0:14:18Uh or terabytes per second moving through the againy eight are small. B internet of dollars in global funding transaction and will imt undersea.
▶ 0:14:46Cable to me a national security regulatory requirements commitmt jurisdiction environmental policy act.
▶ 0:15:03Act, the marine mammal and the magnuson, stevens um mistake, the process ensues d ensures that are protected to make suree face an additional requirement use permit, the national marine
▶ 0:15:33Act. Unfortunately, the. Permit is simply unworkable. While an undersea has span of approximately 25 years, permit e with the numerous environmental and has resulted in no new cables. Marine sanctuary.
▶ 0:15:54In the last 20 into de facto no go zong increased the risk 261 would prohibit the.
▶ 0:16:14Chair of commerce cable projects to obtain a special when rally cable through a national marinea license or if it this requiremet that is not additive that theset
▶ 0:16:46Occur in national marine. Key regulatory reforms. The executive order competitive regulatory year. Urge so this can be considered and. I look forward to questions and I yield. Thank you, Mr. westerman.
▶ 0:17:09>> the cell you're recognized me dais on behalf of ranking housel resources to oppose on for common sense mental protections current limit could input impace health habitat of our. Sanctuaries. >> the crown jewel of our, uh, are the industry standard that have been both small tourism.
▶ 0:17:38As my colleague from pennsylvania mentioned says, and this break today and fees, administre costs fair market value . For the use of resource. Elf is physically value rate for una cables and sanctuaries mile, which can be.
▶ 0:18:05Adjusted in the consumer price index bucketf the maintenance and treatment me fees improve public access, conduct research.
▶ 0:18:27For example, grays reef national marine is a popular spot for sport fishing and diving, as well critical is monitoring.
▶ 0:18:41261 and from these special use permits if bills this would be allowed to physically the wit contributing 261 with exempt small who are seekis to view two tiered system into the sea floor free, but tourists have to
▶ 0:19:14At these habitats often. In search of a problem. There's nothing stopping routes throughe sanctuaries right now, and has not denied permit for fiber outers.
▶ 0:19:26If they use that special use, are already cabless under current law, that they dot the environmental oversight or to pay the under every federal land management 261 strips no standards and fees act, moste areas. These are by deaf ecological aren't just a mile.
▶ 0:19:58Interruption to the eco in addi, requires. Mentions. We're talking about drilling that cana seafloor habitat. Our marine ard ecosystems that. Drive activityd sustain tens of billions of jobs.
▶ 0:20:27And across coastal communities, tourism for fishing , tourism and the small businesses follow. They pay feet environmental. It's a system where small businesses are forced to follow the law. Durine consideration, amendment to preserve minimal, sick insuranc.
▶ 0:20:57Require the most vulnerable areas and unfortunately. These amendments. This amendment was I've consistently demonstrated a willingness to work across the aisle chairman laid out, and that invitation remains open. But we.
▶ 0:21:18Critical marine ecosystems justn valley executives communities who depend on handot scheme disguised as. Protection of this legislation. And I. >> now open it comments. Miss fischbach. >> and I just.
▶ 0:21:42Understand a bitr all this does is need to jump through correctly. Um . Never been denied in for the . The note I have we'll see that .
▶ 0:22:17They're not I mean, just a hoopd Mr. chairman maybe. >> well there's not been obtained in last 20 years. And special permit is.
▶ 0:22:34A and these things have a why would you spend the money cable down when you've got a five year permit also not just about the permanent. It's about the fees sanctuaries that are critical to their preservation. >> well, I just feel like this like a, uh, pretty simple response.
▶ 0:23:02You're of, um things that they need already I. Missed by another go to the spe. >> the permitting process is that the special use permit is a layer on permitting layers. All . Right. >> well, thank.
▶ 0:23:37>> gentlelady of pennsylvania. Mr. >> thank you. Concern a back door deal marine fisheries kayaking, snorkeling and devil of. The marine sanctuaries process have learned just fragile they are.
▶ 0:24:01Can little bie need to continue and just how it's going to impact? Because it's making I'm like, oh, it's things happen anyways. >> well, I think bit of a sledgehammer to play. Maybe a scalpel was was more necessary if the special use permit lifespan of the cables.
▶ 0:24:29Let's have that conversation., by definition, the most sensitive ecological. I don't represent be near my district phenomenal. And serves, I think, to your point, not just. For recreation, but a place for these oceans to. Certainly important for fisheries as well also I want to introduce for maybe the folks watching it, this. Issue of a pay for and these upkeep of these sanctuaries.
▶ 0:24:59And if we eliminate these fees, I'm not seeing pollution and how we're paying for that critical upkeep. By. Thank you. >> I that is a sledge. Sure may be a, uh, response and refined kind of solution might have, um.
▶ 0:25:22And just the impact of to some of or corporations, which are already doing quite put the burden on, um, you know, mom and place or the dive shop. Um, I think wo that. So I yield back.
▶ 0:25:42Can can I yield back for his time of questioning seems to me these cables are extremely important for point of. >> and united one that's that's handling, permitting and happen, it's a good piece of uh, a lot f
▶ 0:26:13Monitoring on that side of thisr comments? Things, common sense that we yeah. First, I would lio see the issue about the fair market value and collecting and put in our special permit has tt been a single me to obtain a baa way to the all the. Um investors, the marine.
▶ 0:26:45Sanctuaries. Now we're talking. If there was ever a needle in the haystack, this cable runninn floor, um, doesn't really seem o matter you slice it. Um. On your question, I going to be running the cables. I can tell you already who.
▶ 0:27:07It's chinese companies that are running, and our cables are corridors, whichd make them very easy and to be hf somebody wants to be breaking hs to other countries good thing to happen.
▶ 0:27:33>> and I'll tell you, you know, kind of can you talk about, you know, habitat and I mexico a good bit. And if you want to jamarlin or to find one of the s and, uh you're going to, you're going to catch a lot of fish. >> uh, as and I remember when, u know, the administration cut the season down. Uh recreational. Au were a commercial fisherman.
▶ 0:28:02You could fish year round. And so I'm out so that the american citizens can fish again in the gulf. Further questions. Um gentlemanm colorado? >>. >> thank you.
▶ 0:28:23Good to, uh, and my colleague from respective testimonies to represent the group in the congress. >> well. The fourth part of arkansas. Ou. >> you should come eager to come .
▶ 0:28:53Uh, 33 of the 75 counties, large rural district. Yeah. So you represent the counties congl district. >> you're not. Quite, uh, it's a landlocked district, right? >> connect to the ocean. >> so no direct access to the ocean. I don't think. Last I checked, we have we have a thato the ocean. >> yep.
▶ 0:29:22A lot rain and aggregate down the arkansas. You say? >> not. There's no different property l. Kind of like college district that asking at least in college students right now are awfully concerned about the con and mortgage rates are up. >> inflation is up undersea cables.
▶ 0:29:49Don't town bacn colorado is that the case in with your constituents? >> well, now that mention the issue being, uh, as underse. What about. Transmitting data and doing colorado? >> that seems like a real attenuated case between cost of beef and unemployment rate rises, mortgage rates the.
▶ 0:30:18Theyo . That really cogent go a bit about underlying mindset.
▶ 0:30:38Pe eliminated by virtue of that. >> well, there's no fee being nt I'm going to ask about that. The theory on that front. So a .
▶ 0:31:10Well I want to before theory, ie I unpacks. So the special permit . Essentially 7 to $7 million c, right I'll, I'll I can attest to. >> okay. Suggested.
▶ 0:31:33Been is I ti wrote said it's didn't say anything about the keys. You ge5 year investment.
▶ 0:32:02So it's the lee permit. >>. So the simply ensure that the full committee markup on attached. Ye just eliminating you're not suggesting. That we're going to have a 25 year schedule. You're saying get rid of the fee schedule. It's.
▶ 0:32:34>> correct. So I guess I'm undee argument is. That special permit is going to between 2.7 to $7 million, cable argument is. T disincentivize.
▶ 0:32:53Undersea cablese who builds these cables, who owm talking about we're not well neg them. Okay. Let me you this fros year.
▶ 0:33:19>> they nine mentions build a cg the world them. Okay. The parent of face instagram the parent of what's biggest driver of internet. Rigy 40,000.
▶ 0:33:46Us kilometer that could total more than. Something tell. Is not dissuaded to build the undersea cable by there. Being charged through the special permit process. And that's my point.
▶ 0:34:09I don't know that ask of these multinational national glo pay a modicum, uh the most treasured places with marine life at. States. If you disagree now, what do a fee 7 m.
▶ 0:34:38We're you think? You think we're not charging them anything cables ba refused. Because they used to go and buy it. Rename. It's the giveaway to amazon and meta or the undersea cables. These technology companies in arc cab.
▶ 0:35:11It's the . It's essentially says that those companies don't have to ig the permit structure right now, these massive. Global from building. Out undersea cables in .
▶ 0:35:37My view, this is both misses that the house considering in light of all the cases. But I is a way companies on planet earth. And I'm not understanding why house republicans. But I want to give you a chance to respond.
▶ 0:35:58>> well, I just policy should wt right now there pulling these . Because of five year permit. If they do on top of permits that it takes to lay the , maybe that's a good thing.
▶ 0:36:22>> there were there will be commerce and transactions take place on these cables, and I republican view, a democrat view of the economy and we see an opportunity to to be there.
▶ 0:36:41>> I mean, look, you know, you c cable, I'm sure is real important to the future economy in the united states. Lord knows that. You know, whatever to hele , uh, more can be shared. I got to tell you, for the country that this doesn't I is, uh, a cs for this bill.
▶ 0:37:10I don't think doug doesn't hunt mister chairman. Yeah, well, I'm, um. A company the money to put the there. There must . On a reason to so I think thio through a permitting process. This is very without a footnote that go through all the permitting process.
▶ 0:37:38This which is based, au are. Um, it's five year, uh, requiring just companies to pay a small cablest placate life in our country.
▶ 0:38:09>> like a big ask. >> but happy I will offer fox, when she back that I've earned . Well maybe I yield back. Gentlem tennessee. >> Mr. roy. No questions. I yield. >> gentleman. >> we to. Yeah. And.
▶ 0:38:46>> you know colorado and my, uh, is. Echoing right that here we are that we're. Now in the second that he promised to lower cost and we haven't any of it. In fact , we've seen the opposite. In costco through the roof.
▶ 0:39:13So to wreak havoc on us, uh fossil fu. Renewable energy, which is the of new energy seen. To lower costs, complain. About what trump is doing, whether that's tariffs that they refuse to until growth time.
▶ 0:39:42To have a vote on that. About the crisis d the that have been released not his that's in.
▶ 0:40:14So the diff. Between republicans and democrats in this bill that keep giving away corporations who have so. Much o do with it. You know, this right, because there are a lot of businesses that are going to get ruined.
▶ 0:40:41And it's not like a mistake doesn't get made. Uh I I'm, I'm looking at the fact, they, they were installation off of thousand ofy didn't
▶ 0:41:13Cleanup. So to carry the burden regulation. Ans here. That is indeed the democrats want to make sure that the fair share.
▶ 0:41:39That's the other thing that they eliminating not only environmental the. Ability to charge fair. Market fees. Why corporations to pay fair marketa address that and maybe, uh
▶ 0:42:14To drilling. That use for our houses that we used for the most precious representative anything this require corporation mass if they made them not my read,
▶ 0:42:45Congresswoman. >> and in fact, the committee, the. Minority offered in committee would file payments in case when something. Mentioned that one example and I while the cable is small actually it's not so drilling into the repair cabn the most in, our from go to
▶ 0:43:18Pay something taxpayers will have to pay interrupted. And I if I could suggest there's are real nationl interest missions. That is not you know, as a the this bill again, it does not have the in. It doesn't match the five years.
▶ 0:43:47And here but is pay for the areas when things the billion dr corporations. It's not okay. It's the for that.
▶ 0:44:05And I umbrage with that view to, well, the idea that taxpayers and some of those taxpayers are the small actually make sanctuaries and that we should protect or keep clean thing right. Uh, so they're going to and their there is damage.
▶ 0:44:33What about tril that would require consultations this? I didn't see any. No, no consultation here. And if I could just address miscommunication or been misconstrued. Letter that was sent project, uh.
▶ 0:44:59That is band of the chumash indians seny did discuss. To make not meant to be construed. Uh, in as band of chumash indians undersea cables.
▶ 0:45:20Chumash understands it's been industry e reform not taken position on the bill sanctuary not the same as support. >> actually, this actually is. You want are being impacted on a specific have communicated.
▶ 0:45:52To, have and for and what we're seeing, oh, we cannot go to burdensome to the world to, regt that as seeing, uh, is anything else.
▶ 0:46:12Do you time the last democrat this is your think even I know a craft poll even today we've come up with some pieces d this bill. You that we have in front of us. Telecommunity stations and national security by saying the most sensitive kng member isn't here.
▶ 0:46:40He repeatedly in the past, the rules committee did accept by partizan amendments already so that, said to have legislation and it doesn't do that, actually. Maybn there is a, uh, and with that, I yield back.
▶ 0:47:07>> and whenever up the film all right, Mr. chairman, is there anything you rule on this bill. >> chairman, I, I think, um, thousand words. This is this little tiny of my finger.
▶ 0:47:27We're talking about it going across he this is going to this cable across. It special use permit issued it's not because there's not a because ti was in there.
▶ 0:47:50So it's consolidated they're uh, subjeca short amount, listen to the discussion.
▶ 0:48:13Just going to be the wild west and anywhere we ra which part of a nepa facilitation do all the uh, disd the fix. And it's still going to be a long one of these cables.
▶ 0:48:42E in a haystack that the, uh, a molehill here in this.
▶ 0:48:55This hearing, it's not that big oceaf these, I would ask you report one sense rule that will allow this is this is a cable across the ocean, a transmission line going across an oil pipeline or
▶ 0:49:25A gas pipeline. The line going y everything. We've got to use . With that, I yield back. >> thank you. Probably. Did a disservice to the mole because e . They're bigger than. That. Making a molehill. Uh smaller ta molehill.
▶ 0:49:54Are you for being here today. That in this two to let y'all panel in here
▶ 0:50:34. All right. And now second panel representative radish. Hear your full statement. We submit in five mi. >> representative, uh, fitzgerald., chairwoman.
▶ 0:50:50Next committee opportunity to testify today.
▶ 0:51:10Et innovative, uh to thank the that worked on, uh , it's two congresses. >> um, lou creek congressman.
▶ 0:51:29Uh congressman stanton and, uh, schweikert this bill will put hands of more law the gun contra enacted to assist law enforcement, violent crime propr requirements on the firearms
▶ 0:51:59Industry to establish a a firea, according to bill, has. Been including a starter gun designee by.
▶ 0:52:16The last advancement less than lease pars to take a second to ensure that the for example, exxon, uh in 20
▶ 0:52:49Version of the taser. Um, and it . Is very sophisticated. Um effn causing some very dangerous real basis with, uh, but because the tasered that actually shoots at them, it must be classified as a the, despite its low
▶ 0:53:22Risk of serious. So what is thi, many states um. Officers from using firearms. These 12 states correctional officers are unable to.
▶ 0:53:41Many state laws also duty officers would uh, the thi, police department's law enforcement officers can be subjected liability exposure, which is kind of the gist. Of the bill.
▶ 0:54:05For discharging a firearm than a less lethal, the device is considered a firearm is used during that just may be deadly force in. 43 states across the country, including my own state of wisconsin, in which I worked on legislation, to put prohibitions place to make sure that number of different situations where somebody could want you. Want te one?
▶ 0:54:34Uh, would state, uh, by a e person. Uh, this. Means police departments were taser model to avoid that liability exposure. Uh, it's the law passed before advancement. Advancements in that has led fewer law enforcement sees adopting more innovative tools, game classifications, and.
▶ 0:55:02Restrictions as other, uh purchf these devices. So there's a lot of rent. Uh which is one of the reasons involved in this. Uh, it also made, uh, as I said, the bulk purchases of the. As recently an that american tribes in law enforcement officers do not qualify gun control.
▶ 0:55:35Accidents uh, that's kind of an ancillary issue or but something that's been discussed and realln that area. Uh, it is an unfortunate concoction continues to divide the tribal police departments, country the law end innovative to de-escalate act I.
▶ 0:56:01Uh, each 2189 makes a small but important change to the gun kind of define a less lethal style device. So I just wanted to make the case that we're not superseding state statute. On the rules committee today. Your state led abuse issues, they got something on the books.
▶ 0:56:25The uh, using it in any way most reasonable is, e than. A lethal type of syst. These are that's typically already been addressed by your state legislature not fire projectile velocity 500ft per second so that another bright line that's, because
▶ 0:56:58We know anybody knows that that same is 700ft per to 1200ft per season. And for a regular round that of a handgun or out of a the second device may not be designed ammunition commonly used firearms.
▶ 0:57:22So it it's very bright comes to is a significant difference. It also. Must not accept its projectile through the pistol grip. You know, you you cannot l grip. There's would accept a mae been designed or intended used.
▶ 0:57:53In a manner that is likely to cause the language is, uh, significant wat addresses any of the concerns of the deregulated. A lot of people have been saying , you're making these changes. It's going to change. Has yearss not true.
▶ 0:58:14But by this our law enforcement and public safety officers with the best tool to keep our first responders out of harm's way be rewarded in this area. We should ask more. Innovate. These. Types of answers for law enforcement and once again, I want to thank, uh , congressman stanton, for their leadership on this issue.
▶ 0:58:42And look forward to your questions. Thank raskin. Thank you. Member for this. Case. >> um, uh, Mr. chairman, thank you use every tool available to keep them in a community safe h.r. 2189 doesn't do any further. That goal. That's. Why I must oppose this legislation.
▶ 0:59:07Weakens federal firearm laws and fails to provide long food, tools or training that would prevent the use of force. What this rip a dangerous new loophole in control act by exempting so-called lessees from laws tha, prohibited purchasers like felons, users and.
▶ 0:59:38H.r. 4232, which has 2189, in the rules committee in the national firearms act, which regulates. Devices like machine gun would open up a lot more statuto more easily. Access undetectable wound. Check the.
▶ 1:00:03Legislation rewrites them throughout the entire criminal code, certain less still highly dangerous identified as y central. Ultra condition and.
▶ 1:00:30Produce intended from the bill's. Proponents would establish a new category of projectile devices m from all gca and to what the tif the bill
▶ 1:01:00From federal firearms laws regardless of purchases. Possess factors them for example, this bill would allow. Allowed firead like fugitives and other tasersa
▶ 1:01:34Background check from the requirement that. They have to be traceable. So that law enforcement measures, if they'rd simply firearms to be detected by useds or if h.r.
▶ 1:01:5721 to become law cond gun kill that weapon. Airplane into a stall. This bill safe gun control act of ensure that law enforcement agencies are all.
▶ 1:02:34For most of the provisions of the grc, kinds of firearms. In fact 50 states currently tax provisions in law enforceme.
▶ 1:02:55These these free of, are changes needed because of these weapons as firearm use of the wg considered deadly for the devices designed home between cs
▶ 1:03:25Involving of such less than. States are perfectly capable of modifying laws. To these if they believe indication that state oe weapons.
▶ 1:03:42Much mismatch agents from adopting every state have already pertained and routinely used both in my state, in maryland and in the groups opposing viole include brady, everytown for gun . The justice action fund, all strongly opposed.
▶ 1:04:10They've faithe proponents and of the needs of w enforcement, have refused their recent questions about what then is and the agenda that is pushed for it. And stands carving its product out of long standing federal law. Congress shares my view that we should keep.
▶ 1:04:37He has submitted an amendment in that l weapons that would otherwise be claimed quite as firearm. Local, state and tribal officiaf the purpose of then let's adopt this amendment to effectively.
▶ 1:05:06Stands dangerous proposals will continue to legislate tools and training they need to. But I must oppose this bill that could put more and everybody else in danger. I urge my colleagues to do this. Thank >> now.
▶ 1:05:28Recognize miss minnesot, long support thank you for bringing forward and do think making it less available.r and deal with how with the community. Um two because you dt you lessen the need.
▶ 1:05:57And I know as um broad support have any of the. Do you have any that it has been. >> yeah. Not the. Process that's gone on for the last four years.
▶ 1:06:19Again, congressman, and who's worked be day, uh. For to support it find at the local that can these hours, uh, maybe in a level.
▶ 1:06:47Uh, are concerned with the to what we kind that very clear. We not trying to supersede low it's municipal or state law, the deps . Hamstrung and unable to get the tech and can secure it.
▶ 1:07:14So, uh, county. Sheriff's associations, african american n association noble.
▶ 1:07:37They know what it's like because basis and having members in dift positions, which you want to supersede state law. Legislatures have already puttis in place. Uh a lot of the up, ue this afternoon to, um, you menta lot of groups.
▶ 1:08:09Mentioned earlier, not only, um, are they were, you know, making yep. And the group. Thati did significant that we should point out that does support.
▶ 1:08:22Uml way that use of lethal and like I said, I've, I've long supported bringing forward will yield back. >> I recognize the gentlelady of pennsylvania Mr.
▶ 1:08:46Support givingr is we've seen that there be positive bilt do that help police departments acquire them lethal weapons.
▶ 1:09:09But police access to those tools, they believe they're all exempt and apply to civilian purchase and help departments should be talkg about properly changing the gun laws that this bill for criminad dangerous people tasers used byc abusers. Um robberies.
▶ 1:09:36The last weapons in t problem session, which again actually help police departments comes. From the same party that has repeatedly police funding.
▶ 1:09:55Trum0 million federal granting, commuy safety. Last year, republicans passed a budget that would implement same programs then for helping s
▶ 1:10:26There anything you wanted oppose like christ or faith coalition for violence, catholics for familysearch, and so gun violence groups as um, for law enforcement is using think every
▶ 1:11:03In the police. Departments in their state, including fishback in minnesota, the minneapolis police department, use tasers . Hastings, brooklyn. So the police departments have access. Do we?
▶ 1:11:25Yesterday and when we know that weapons against and have indeed serious injury as well as death, really bring homt actually help law enforce to ha, situations that end in. 2020.
▶ 1:11:54>> really horrific incident in philadelphia, a having a mental break down, shoy after the police arrived that ts trying to prevent professionals on and within the to be less sie
▶ 1:12:30Mental health. I think we should be helping our police in allow e in the do that. Thank you. I yield back jake. >> uh, I just want to ask colled that if this bill that felons will be tasers on airplanes carry a taser on an airplane
▶ 1:13:02Today, am. I missing something, making stuff up like it on an ae right now. >> um, I think. There's a number of situations. The wouldn't be allowed and type of scrutiny that any type of weapon would be. It's, uh, it's red herring.
▶ 1:13:30It's argument that's been out there that now let's 1% about somebody owned by somebody happened. Um,d . It's right now a strong protocol taser. Uh.
▶ 1:13:59There's a lot of different protocols that are not touching any of that stuff. This should be handled by. State police doesn't supersede or anyf those as a matter of fact was made back in and take it could e doing today that should that should happen.
▶ 1:14:30>> Mr. raskin, can people carry a carry a through tsa statement? Can you explain your stipulated firearms you propose this >> there are other things tsa outside of uh, on an airplane that's regulated firearm.
▶ 1:14:58>> okay they are regulated firearms back and change their law the to that original position, it's already criminalized. >> and the use of use a taser at is.
▶ 1:15:23Uh, I own the taser, I the I can't walk down the street and tase somebody just by law. That's how it's all. Well, I'm n sense. That is an assault. If I will tell you right now.
▶ 1:15:41>> see, I guess I'm just to getd that you're underscoring this, that when are regulated by to at new laws and regulations, treat taser sipa, no no longer have it deleted by the to bringn it. Would tsa would not.
▶ 1:16:09Based on a taser. >> they won't allow you to bring a what it's based on because some common sense you guys want to change. >> you guys you good common sense leadership station in it's in.
▶ 1:16:30In manuals w Mr. negus question. >> hugh to drill down. I give Mr.
▶ 1:16:50Respond to my d there by the ranking committee., that that definition of weapon. And, uh is defined firearm under federal ty of requirements. >> that's right.
▶ 1:17:22>> and so would pull out of that definition those same safeguards under federal law, it's point is simps tasers control act.
▶ 1:17:40And under the national arms act as a gun witha background, a taser same way, if you are and you cannot, uh, purchase a semi-auto treated the same way. And so if you strip it out, then it's in a completely different category.
▶ 1:18:10I'm that it wouldn't have that effect. I thought legislation, because right now the police and hundrem are using tasers because everybody knows about. Giving tasers. Uh accessible to everybody else don't think theyd be, consider whether you support the idea. No longer the federal law.
▶ 1:18:37>> yeah, yeah, at my someone is convicted, violent, o acquire a weapon through the federal check system, correct. Be weapons that are deemed this taw like. To domestic violence abusers, like, uh, like undocumented.
▶ 1:19:07People who are done. >> and now taser. And so that that is the. And if you like that think that's dangerous, propose it. >> fitzgerald, thank you for being here. So last year. But I just just for wisconsin pen name. Spot.
▶ 1:19:42>> a lot of the states. But 18 u must be, concealed a felony to carry a gun guns or tasers. For with. Price. Yeah. So it does fall to they have a laundry list, and I'm not goingt into the and forth.
▶ 1:20:12>> my colleague from georgia is very, uh, delve I hear your poi, it's a policy treatment that this this bill is states. And so if you're in a state that's a regulation state, the weapon, then obviously, as you said, I want to just talk about the tax portions of the portion.
▶ 1:20:34So laso eliminate ice tax silencers. >> correct >> republicans also passed an excise tax on short barreled rifles. >> that's sell house republican decision tax on shot.
▶ 1:21:09>> yeah. >> this this bill.. Right. And 900 legislation. Right. Andd for a report show >> these are government government saying that are not for government it eliminates.
▶ 1:21:29St other weapons since plan. On pursuing the elimination of an excise. The all are just obsessed with eliminating weapons.
▶ 1:21:55And a better understanding of what my be coming down say it is a lot t is inner ills. So yeah, there'sd portion, portion. >> not all saying that's the angles on it. It that I don't be that big bill. I don't, I don'tw what the number I hear you for .
▶ 1:22:25>> I, I mean, you voted for your is, there are plenty consumers n , colorado airline excise tax for exists, right?
▶ 1:22:38You down the line and it just seems to me colleagues on every gun weapon, that one conceive of of our time committee take it. Elimination.
▶ 1:23:02Of excise taxes for going basice life cheaper understand my very good at. >> are you saying would offer something like that? Welly time there's an excise to build a republicans. Present to this committee, it invariably or rifr whatever else. Knives.
▶ 1:23:29What's next? What else? What else do you have planned? >> I'm unaware of any bill on knives coming up. Maybe. Speaking too soon. >> I mean, given the my point. . Um, in any event, I just enforcement piece because you made the point. Mr. fitzgerald, that all of this bill connects to transfer and sales associated with law.
▶ 1:23:55I'm looking at the federal code here. No, this is 26, section four, 20, 21 or excuse me, ford, right. Under regulations prescribed tax shall be.
▶ 1:24:14Imposed under the sale of an article unr this chapter, which essentially is all firearms and ammunitions to a.
▶ 1:24:26State or local governmenti what I think we're anticipating is, there may be more sales as a ono law enforcement because right now there is this.
▶ 1:24:49But somethin, what the numbers are and it might be, but right now, still . It's not you know, I know saying is taxed state government or am I yeah, right.. A police a tax on the taser.
▶ 1:25:18Sof you're are you eliminating? >> well, if there sale outside intergovernmental authority said, well, I said percent of right now is that Mr. there was focused on.
▶ 1:25:42That's why we got this report in here to see I thi hear that enviable position. I , fitzgerald, because I you're you're being asked the bs not a component of. Your legislation. Right? That's true.
▶ 1:26:06Yeah, see arguments, you know in good faith, respect to your or of would strike me Mr. portion of. This bill really should be no one's articulated a cogent basis for eliminating this, just an obsesg some conference of eliminating every excise tax, having
▶ 1:26:37Faith. The exchange here gentleman now recognized as, the gentlelady from anna thatcher Mr. chair. Uh, Mr. chairman, um forget that law enforcement officers are routinely placed in high risk situations where they make split second decision public.
▶ 1:27:05>> the job is hard enough as to the safest tools that lead safety equipment have far outpaced the statute and regulatory. Being access less than lethal which have been shown in much lower rates of injury tools. Uh, like pepper spray or physical restraints. Uh decision.
▶ 1:27:29And it is simple common sense solution enforcement to more effectively do their job want tn jerrold. Um, just consequences .
▶ 1:27:50>> do you federal regulation commissions governing these devices leads to less enforcement agencies actually mr safety in our communities? >> uh, so, um, it's about it's exactly what departments and hae asked for. And what is. Needed.
▶ 1:28:25Um. Uh, officers can fairly of, uh, ability expo. Uh for a firearm service revolv. Uh police than lethal price gives them another. I think we've it as weo truly de-escalate some of these high situations.
▶ 1:28:51It somebody thn committing a there's an exchange happens that public is. They're aware of how they're used in law use it to manage to defuze those tough
▶ 1:29:22Situations. Um, it's lethal. An, if you meet these officers shers , it's one of the reasons we cot tweak place, they could work with their state probably similar to what most have already put in place. To put protections in place.
▶ 1:29:45And then, schools or schools security and, there's a number of different situations. The less lethal force option, to what they have available to them.
▶ 1:30:05Now but when they talk tae attorney, when they the level, t they say is, listen, still subject to these liability clean statute. We need this. We just to fix this situation. And that's what this safety. >> um the point where distance is also.
▶ 1:30:37Increased. Uh between the a cour . >> that's a great past, um, becy was not fully, um, you had to fairly close to an, neutralize them for a short period of projectile.
▶ 1:30:58Now, with innovation and the answer is further away from the individual, many another thing s really helped. Uh. Question is if we. Become the, uh, taser, de for personal protection?
▶ 1:31:27Uh, like I've been saying all since , um, but I think there is a ths available that could be sold for personal. But a state legislature if made. Within the technology at the local level, they might, to.
▶ 1:31:55But it's not addressed in the I just want to, the. Firearms, the control act is what this.
▶ 1:32:18Leander in 1976 added under that classification as a firearm,. The 1990s, used canisters of.
▶ 1:32:33Increased in technology may congressman ge suggested that, deregulation of certain firearms that could be fire arm, a time o respond to that, that's kind of,
▶ 1:33:06Um what's already been to be cls less lethal. This bill, the device may not. Commission, but it's a the nomenclature pistol or firearm, that obviously added or in a.
▶ 1:33:26Not part of it. It's something just as a comparison. Um parts o scope that's been addressed.
▶ 1:33:53So end of the what we're doing is so the police department's in position. But at the same time d of states, stuff that's happened in the state legislature technology coo advance.
▶ 1:34:17I think it's essential the law enforcement agencies these with the regulatory framework to effect a very operational environments, I agr. >> thank you hernandez . For her. >> thank you so very much.
▶ 1:34:50Law, because someone with buy am , yes or no found by a court, a, a domestice law, so like if you, you cannot
▶ 1:35:25Buy. Correct >> you know stalking bill were to be. Correct would be that violent felons. >> there's and those deemed mentally and other dangerous people weapons.
▶ 1:35:42Actua, they all states, all 50 states often looking at, uh lists the positions and bore no.
▶ 1:36:12>> and I think that that's in fy viewing a republican council would be able I think that this is a.
▶ 1:36:24Part of a that this is such a broad term safety laws that we are very not only are we very concerned, I have a sure enough with line vif violence do will not only allow that are back, we legal for domt
▶ 1:37:03And. Such as felony child. To possess these weapons well. >> well, I uh chairman 2024.
▶ 1:37:18Uh, both the chairman, jim jordan, and, um and these are people the.
▶ 1:37:34Says their to tryint women from ongoing abuse would.e they are not they might be less than lethal. But, uh, representative?
▶ 1:37:59Well well, and , that's why they've been explosive device under the national, and but and, um, Mr. s states should go.
▶ 1:38:19Seeing them the law in the first place, it's the dee tasers, full import is to give other people the undocumented people, fugitives from I mean, y
▶ 1:38:50That's what we're focused on right now. The case duplicate federal law. Federalism for decades congress has in terms act and the gun control act, we're going to from beneat. If not you. Mr.
▶ 1:39:16From people wel, there's really no problem, including to access tasers >> right. And that's what this d to hold things up here, but basically there's only that provide regulation hearing earlier that well, the law of common sense would mean ask representative raskin common sense, protect a woman who's
▶ 1:39:51Already here, but evidently not. >> and that think it was our, td about the law of common sense with respect to who's it shouldn sense that with. Tate airplane. And that's why that's embodyingt what enter with the gun docking. Device. Uh, legal.
▶ 1:40:25Change would go through. They would explicitly cannot enter with, um, the if we actually stripped for decades because now every state is at od then different fed to regulate on it that have now been just right.
▶ 1:40:47>> and we keep hearing, uh, today all day, does part of yous does so all us states and territories is already crimes of less than lethal devices, assault and battery on top of that , 40 have explicit statutory lethal. Devices of the 40 Mr.
▶ 1:41:19Hibbett, the restrictions is I'm not sure wht you're I'm just saying I'm just. >> that's, not about is what yoe talking about.
▶ 1:41:42We're talking why make it easier to be able to get their hands on a taser. That's what you're talking. Thia body.
▶ 1:41:58And that's what let's make it apply only to law, I mean, let's and again, I'm not sure that on this legislation would domestic viol. >> sir could without a background check at.
▶ 1:42:21But if this passes background check. So the gentlelady is right that. The huge market access them. And it's true could charge them with or battery afterwards.
▶ 1:42:42For to the victim of domestic violence who uh a and e we to protect.
▶ 1:43:02>> so should not be that app to weapons and whether they are less can can paralyze you can knock you unconscious. What you want somebody.
▶ 1:43:22Somebody who's been, uh, convicted to abuse of stalking of any of these horrible kinds of weapons. I think. Mr. , who's the longtime chair of the gun to say if app apply solely I don't.
▶ 1:43:48Or wod you be, I'm it's the path supersede isn't what you want ds how to show what your amendment does level.
▶ 1:44:12>> and you starting to direct law enforcement how to this program. States right now, that's up to the with the input that they have from local of police. Whate amendment does, is it starts specific things that we are if , that's a way of that I support .
▶ 1:44:42>> uh, well that you do not, uhh , applicable law enforcement, but it's not a problem. Law bill devices. Um.
▶ 1:45:02Firearm only when official capacity as a officer.e argument, doesn't it just says if you're a. Have these regulations. >> everybody also does the entie bill.
▶ 1:45:31Right of these poll they'y concerned about associated with it deploying tasers. Right. Now. Yeah. >> so I mean, clearly the uh, there is t willing to do. Is there today?
▶ 1:46:05>> well, the point is correct. Sheep's clothing and the sheep's clothing is now. And to clarify it, that's exactly what the wolf abusers, convicted felons are going to go purchase to their next stop and there will be.
▶ 1:46:30The liabilite occurring. They have not identified a country. Where, um . Anybody has been, um, um, becy .
▶ 1:46:58But they demonstrated one for criminal where on the fact of te class action of a doesn't exist. >> no for asking. I mean, I yield. >> Mr. your recognition. >> thank you very much, chair.
▶ 1:47:25>> I'm feeling a little bit beco talk about this, in here. Uh um, and I this becausea problem. And it was rated was, f you're a gun, correct back to ta minute. Bear with me then. Othe.
▶ 1:47:58Can you buy a gun? And the. Thet bothers me if you are a convicted felony and I was licensed in the commonwealth for now you felon. There was a restoration.
▶ 1:48:21Process, could you get your right to back back your right back firearm bat several. Found to be a have some kind of a mental disorder, and you treatment in your can firearm even though.
▶ 1:48:42That ou can be okay. Go. I'm okay with . Here's what. Bothers me is not affected by this bill. And to the. Democrat leader on the judiciary, we solve this.
▶ 1:49:11Askino matter how seriously.
▶ 1:49:29Because if it's serious, it's going to be n commonwealth of virginia, but there is no . To rights restored to carry a firearm.
▶ 1:49:49It is always bothered me to fins the relations attorney of divora breakup. So they they should bed should be a limitation. A firearm or other weapon. There should be for a time period.
▶ 1:50:11But for some reason we're involved in a domestic situation that that eventually or the breakup happens or whatever way and I failed this. Client of mine, of pushing his wife. In 1972. But .
▶ 1:50:51>> got lots offended. I'm just trying to make sure, because so disgusted with himself instead of getting a lawyer, he went straight into court. He pled anr management classes on his own. Everything that we want to do. E .
▶ 1:51:13Again insulted his wife in the early 2000, it was come up withd work under the federal law I did get the governor of the commonwealth currently serves in the senate e right thing. >> everybody yep, this was a one deal. >> I him to do.
▶ 1:51:40We gave him on a wori told him, don't you you want yourself in trouble because under federal law, there is no way to do it. We could state coe a hard time federal court all these things and. The other. But there are there are ten.
▶ 1:52:09There f somebody comes in, they leave an advance. Can take this case under advisement. Don't plead offense, but there may be some who still slip through today. They. Know because at the time that my guy women act didn't ex, which takes away rights. Mhm but he did everything. I would want him to do.
▶ 1:52:38No chance to redeem his no out in . And so I just ask you as the judiciary me find an answer to this because it's just right.
▶ 1:52:56If assured if you're going to be not competent or dangerous to others or you push somebody is in the house with you or you push. It's a, um redemption, no forgiveness. >> I I would be happy respond to. >> madam chair short response. >> Mr.
▶ 1:53:26It be shorter than the question. I guarantee obvioo being an effective congressman and drawn what you've just had to say, one of the first things I did state senator, was to a civil disability, including, uh, disabilities on voting and people getting out of prison. Uh, and that's a very fair point.
▶ 1:53:54And I proposal than I am to the I'm talking about today and why? Um, because you're saying who've crd or repentant for their rehabilitation. Did got to be o. >> it's one this bill doesn't look at that category of people who've been convicted.
▶ 1:54:23>> um, who we are now going to not done anything wrong, um, be the firearm and includes. People. As the gentlelady was saying, who are and I understand your concern on that. >> I raised and I yield back very much. >> so much, Mr. langworthy.
▶ 1:54:50>> thank you very this has beeny passage, uh, with a lot I'd lik. Fitzgerald the gentleman. To cly or, uh. Rebuttals to some of the allegations that get a thank. >> thank you. I'll once again.
▶ 1:55:12Um because treating the banned firearms affects the ability of the agencies to acquire and deploy these tools. So would like to clear up.
▶ 1:55:25It's the idea that this liability is real and the enforcement officer approace state of new right, um, they right now have concernd and they officers.
▶ 1:55:48And the, and they uset right now in not clear or not iw enforcement action the most impt thing that should be discussed here today, because I'm going to bring clarity to an issue that is currently making nation.
▶ 1:56:21And there is a different varying of degree of that depending on . >> well, like I said before goof state law later starts to take g to say, we have to want to be ay .
▶ 1:56:44Is in into the hands of law enforcement, because the day, iw enforcement deaths number that we're all concerned about. I yield much. >> I mean, our law enforcement officers should have access. To the tools to help them slow encs without believe that h.r.
▶ 1:57:082180 updates outdated federal tools can be ud as well, preserving clear safeguards to ensure if about reducing violent encounters, they would start expanding access to de-escalation tools and are choosing to do exactly that. With this to support this, and I back langworthy. Mr. norman.
▶ 1:57:37I thank both guess o things,. Hearing from law enforcement and want. Does this come in mainly from. I mean, they they see somebody in a community next to them.
▶ 1:58:03The decision that, uh, addiction a will to them, but ty don't. And to iron all that out with this bill . Does and they get qualified immunity. >> police have qualified immunity. >> that's right worried about tu are as we see it to be.
▶ 1:58:30Maybe attacked everybody has ever that's you know the law enforcement's under attack in in in minnesota they're under seen before I think it's a it's a crime. >> what's what's happening. You know, uh has full force to it.
▶ 1:58:49How does it, like, someone has heart attack that they shoot somebody that sa tiny percentage of results the s almost like a how it plays. Depending on the,g on the it. So it's very difficult. I come up with kind of a blank answer to all.
▶ 1:59:22>> well, thank you for putting this up. I yield back. >> thank you, Mr. mcgovern wello thank our here today. And, uh am discussion. Mr.
▶ 1:59:40Raskin, always brings lively to us and, um, we appreciate further questions is, how can you. Already recognize.
▶ 1:59:55Right that are dismissed .
▶ 2:00:58And now chairman uh, three. If.n energy and comment submitted for the record. We wia joke between guthrie and me, for recognize and chairman fox has a carolina.
▶ 2:01:29>> if you park in her partners property of grandfather mountain parking on will act. So I out there doing what I'm want to park there. You you for having us you. Ranking uh, membr montgomery. Pleased to speak ins supply act sponsored by my colleague and member of the energy content.
▶ 2:01:55This legislatiol have supply chains for energy sources that are modern economy and are security of energy security to assess.
▶ 2:02:13Supply chains for critical energy resources on supply can e affordable, reliable few years s become a that our reliance on china create substantial vulnerabilities for economic and national security interests. While the us. Resources, our mining and refining industries have the us as a world the top ten commut china steps.
▶ 2:02:43In recent years, used in a range of military and other applications that hinge on access markets. And when the department of energy was. Triple threat.
▶ 2:03:03Are raising costs on families and almost 50 years later, the american . Throughout the 919 days, to ee the state of our nation's energy highlighted the threats of over appearance on imports from, uh.
▶ 2:03:30Importantly, the trump has remain take global and advancing knowledge manufacturing and thie earths next generation energy 36, 70 time civil legislation, board of energy, leads the way for for nation's energy or early as andi
▶ 2:04:00Yield back >> thank you, chair. >> and to energy and chair. >> my good wish we were here to, uh critical minerals minerals are l energy production and country, s
▶ 2:04:38Should not make addition to serving member of the uh, I also serve on the chit party.
▶ 2:04:50The I led a bipartisan ad there to develop of energy and, really fund this on everyone's dependance on chinese critical y democrats were.
▶ 2:05:14Very new policies in the bipartisan in the inflation reduction act to give the ways. And, uh. To help develop these. Chains, break the dependance on china energy sector.
▶ 2:05:38Broad we represent to develop resilient, uh, the internet.
▶ 2:05:54Demand for cll triple by of the america right now, high is because cleaner cheaperd waiting to come.
▶ 2:06:19And the trump administration , whether you're talking about,g member this is one of demand. The centers trump administration has done.
▶ 2:06:42Is jail , uh, would do lot of vague, sneaky, uh, h.r. 3617, energy's mission. To include securing. Minerals.
▶ 2:07:02Well, the bill but nowhere in the conducts . To strengthen critical energy supply chains. But you be wondeg what defined by the any any resource. That's essential.
▶ 2:07:30They have this circular thing heart of the matter. And it's too bad , because the kind of the biden, even the trump administration, they need to work allies and partners action again.
▶ 2:07:49Effot to put the for dirty, expensive energy supply. Uh, cleaner energy that should be benefit bn factoring and help lower.
▶ 2:08:12So we think this is a to the drawing board here. I think there's a lot ground. Get back to all of above, even there in of the energy and commerce committee. Not even ab0 energy expensive. Uh fueling bills.
▶ 2:08:39And that's thing the folks we represent, all those I hope the committee will be, energy and commerce committee or it. Could be substantially amend, actually make, make way for, uh, and lowering. Electric bills. Thank you. Madam going to wrap myself.
▶ 2:09:05Um, when the department. Of energy was organized, even ago for criticae mission. But you know, the what we're planning ce oil issue and.
▶ 2:09:33On that above, I am and I think above. >> and we need to make sure that all the offense places, the department of energh and stated capacity was less than 89 to 98. Capacity -8w england which chart here.
▶ 2:10:03More m burning wood from in new england on on january 26e their role. But we can't focus on these other didn't go up alw. So nuclear is like need to worke need have.
▶ 2:10:30But this just proved when you in solar and then when the conditions mean there was wind blowing, but it was gust of wind is. If the goals that they have as is part of it all, the resources it takes.
▶ 2:10:51Toi think that's all of it anticipated my next question is. They in automobile production.
▶ 2:11:17And, you know, in mn like and. For us it woke us up or should wake it at a time whes maybe. Out there. And so we absolutely have to then to makee have all the resources the energy that we need.
▶ 2:11:44But but to make sure we have, well, I'll say this, I certainly have a um, with clean and. Um, it, uh, I'm not because when you're.
▶ 2:12:10You're very happy to have whatever energy, let me say. Would the strategic buyer from the department of energy insurer takes a holistic view of critical on just one goal, I've said all of
▶ 2:12:41The above is believe that of th, including. For wind. What anymore? Right um a holistic view, that's why. >> that's why it was drafted we have the right resources.
▶ 2:13:04If you solve it really produced in you years and the, uh, the job was y good you know, if you just extremely expt is, uh, when you don't do it correctly for people living. But there are works.
▶ 2:13:33I, I'm on every time we can capacity with wind and solar. Because you make a preference that doesn't perform for him. Says this can n conditions is usually when you need the most. >> Mr. mcgovern.
▶ 2:13:51Um, and why iss supply, because when you read te . Uh, and you read the actual bill is not.
▶ 2:14:07Mentioned or even referenced anywhere term, uh, ca , which I think as include oil , if commit minerals, like to take the title guess you don't, I was going to wonder whether they weren't under energy 2020, which is
▶ 2:14:38Current law that essential to our economy and have. My chain like coal, cobalt . The definition oil, gas, coal. That be more handouts for oil was the why was we were.
▶ 2:15:13>> so what our goal is of our cl minerals or critical, um, the. The resources to make sure that we're energy there's a the defif critical minerals. Right. >> include oil. Bill named this. What not mentioned anywhee in the bill.
▶ 2:15:39There's a little bit of what we're do is to make can reach critical . To make sure that >> part of that is, do we have the right antimony? And do we he what turbines? We have what it takes.
▶ 2:16:05So I alle approach. >> yes. Do why we oppose it a. D bipartisan work on giveaway the department of energy to boost, uh.
▶ 2:16:32Fuel companies who have had a when you look at our track the department of energy, it's filled with at a time. We grid.
▶ 2:16:49We've got hold down a arey the higher the, uh in increase e . $6 billion, um, on state. Ande analysis.
▶ 2:17:14Looking if you want to counter china your lunch anymor, you've got to technology. You ho include full there are and chea. Can stick stay stuck like the president likes to keep us.
▶ 2:17:42That's an export future where we're going really need to be doing. I think in the bills again was about battery. >> it's about this was. About, uh, you know. Supply.
▶ 2:18:02But I appreciate you both go you verye griffith, chairman guthrie
▶ 2:18:34Before, is there anything you would like to the committee? >> do >> well, I'm just is all the ab, and we do need the antimony technology last spring is when I. In the bg member said critical. We're.
▶ 2:19:02Ane this isn't. But I'm telling this, this is a department energy that shows the increase in production over january. The 26th. You see coal 24 energy produced from these sources, 43% nuclear. At 35% because they some reason to develop.
▶ 2:19:30The rest of the country. And the way that they will and to ignore that would had uh, if we didn't have these resources is think of what. January 26th would have been, uh, not only would have been people would have been extremely vulnerable in what was the date on that again? Of the storm and confirm his already been submitted for record, I can submit these for the recordl impacted regions.
▶ 2:20:00I'll just, uh, so I would say, madam chair. >> thank you, Mr. griffin. Thank . You, miss cameron. You're recognized. >> thank you. Um, struggling with this critical address. Critical minerals, and the fact.
▶ 2:20:22That it does reference critical, um at the same time that we've seen this administration cut previously going to a range of non-fossil energy help us undert is being accomplished here and what work on? >> I think it goes all back came election year.
▶ 2:20:50You titans goingo mar-a-lago and the president said a campaign with billion dollars I will deliver and time after time, that's been made plain to our are suffering, exorbitant cost. On their electric bills. They open those electric pretty expensive.
▶ 2:21:17Not enough can fully tune into the bad? What this ecy must do their big ugly bill rip. >> hey rebates and energy. Yet the pathway is through and a lot of the. Uh fuel companies.
▶ 2:21:44They stand wo keep their competitive edge. So that's why you've seen and of clean energy projects that were . Permitted rug out from under e .
▶ 2:22:06And if you're about people having the energy they need, why would you sanction, uh, putting away all those new energy resources in why wans ? We've got a model on the grid. So that's why again, it's a sheep in wolf's clothing.
▶ 2:22:33The course past year, it's really. Disappointing because we had been making some with respect. To transforming our system I thought that our republican colleagues were serious. They said, well, aboveo get their, um, nearly those to n fossil fuel to pay to play. So thank you.
▶ 2:23:05For your testimony. I yield back , um, miss hansen, you're recognized. Thank you, the witnesses. Um thanks to the chairman for um our nation's sey future all depend on access pro, security, supply chains and access series is not a smart policy.
▶ 2:23:33It's common sense for the economy american family energy independence sector of economy. This bill is a follow, and truma for a safer and more prosperous america. Uh, uh, we've heard colleagues on the aisle, uh, call this legislation a sheep clothing to say she probably meant I way around.
▶ 2:24:04>> thank you. Mr. >> yes, but, uh, could you, uh, just take some time to respond and also bill is necessary to give the department of to allow domestic energy production to increase ss are secure. >> what this bill department ofy to look at all critical. But itl energy, all resources, which.
▶ 2:24:33So if you want to define such as we receive from china people ask me, what things is, is that if we don't, we every time we try here. So mining of critical minerals, we don't. That's another thing we have to look at. And every time start producing them, then china dumps the them. And then they ty do it on purpose. And this has this has to be. Addressed.
▶ 2:25:02And you look at it has to be addressed. But we will look at the entire energy sector here. And you know, we talk about I'm I'm carried the load during this last storm. Maybe sometime coule different. The next two years dn much different than that. And so I want to make to, to electricie have access when they it or sometimes they have accidents.
▶ 2:25:33Their air conditioning. We also . Need batteries or we need storage. We need solar power. Uh, said so I know that all the above. I the f the above. The solar works better than it works. Others, and we do need to modernize our mission, I think. I don't disagree with anything, but I te focus on all of the resources, I mean, this alone.
▶ 2:26:04This is the area. Just think of what happen if we didn't have these sources, uh, from manufacturing for critical minerals is skyrocketing. >> being yet policy have left te united states reliant these ver, jeopardizing our energy security . And economic potential.
▶ 2:26:25At all in two, 12 overall in global non-fuel mineral production. This chains by diversifying sources and. Increases domestic production, refining and resources. Doing so unleashes. America, our factories, fueling innovation and securing leadership back.
▶ 2:26:56>> thank you. >> pleasure. Fernandes recognized much. Um, and just, uh, uh. We always hear the republicans talk about that. I don't want to let china us. We t because we've got china. But every time to, uh, d, says we.
▶ 2:27:22Should not have our critical mineral mining activity go to china. Shoot it down. So it's like they always think do the opposite, right. Republicans that's what you just charged, right? They they say we gotta critical. But fossil fuel story.
▶ 2:27:48That's well s a da. So I'm going to stay away from that metaphor. But here is, you be isn't it? That you cannot afford, uh, ends up a rate of inflation. Does this bill that?
▶ 2:28:17>> no, it's like it would make c bills. Uh a lot higher in some places. Like I said, in florida, because we're so reliant on us, uh, now that we're exporting to china g. >> um that puts, uh inflationar.
▶ 2:28:49>> not actually addressing the critical mineral head kind of surreptitiously sneaky. Uh resos just record of the trump sabotage. Cheaper, cleaner energy. Uh, everything e floor. But they.
▶ 2:29:17Haven't brought one bill, really, to help. It'sg to say we're helping you, but no, they're double turning a blind eye to the so ms poised to come up grid so yeah,k you put up one.
▶ 2:29:42>> I think and they see it the american people see that republicans biggest corpors and. Not with them. >> right. Because we're you know, I renewable. I have a lot of oil and have a f energy.
▶ 2:30:01I do they help about the farmers put up that windmill, who can put up, uh just going to leave help with the energy supply chain, but isn't department of has lost more thaf trump's and employees to help with the minerals. Supply?
▶ 2:30:26Is that right ? >> all the way crazy dose, where a lot of? We have got to keep our china to or menu, factoring numbers are down in of that is because of the hatchet. The administration.
▶ 2:30:50Has taken to a lot of the clean energy time when china to be exporting all w technology across the globe. And it has has our, our and push them. To uh, towards china. It's just a loste can't afford. >> yeah. Thank you. You know, uh , it's, uh. To suffer. Uh.
▶ 2:31:16Uh, d you, you bills because. Republicans just are always states corporations. And with that, I yield back this langworn the interest of up, I, um, I the witnesses coming. >> um.
▶ 2:31:46Uh as you know to ask qus of our witnesses seeking to tele this portion of our meeting.
▶ 2:32:31>> here will be of a motion. >> share. I hr 2129. The law enforcement enact a. All pointsf order, consideration of the bill. The rule provided in lieu of the amendment in the. Nature of a substitute recommendation now printed in the bill.
▶ 2:32:56An amendment in the nature of the text of rules committee print line shall in bill, as amended,o be rule waives all order against provisions in the bill as amended. The rule provides controlled by the chair the judr their respective designee. Fees and the chair ranking committees and means or their respective designees.
▶ 2:33:26The rule provides one motion to consideration of h.r., the sea cable closed rule, the e waives all of order against. Consideration of the bill. The amendment in nature of a substitute recommended by the committee for resources, now. Printed in the bill, shall be considered as be considered as read.
▶ 2:33:53The rule amended. The rule pro controlled by the chair and the ranking minority member. The natural resources or their respective designee. Rule further provide l minerals act under a closed rule.
▶ 2:34:17The rule waives all iteration of the that the amendn the nature of a subject recommended by the committee on energy and commerce, now printed in the bill, shall be considered as adopted bill and be the rule waives the provisions in the bill as amended. The rule the be equally divided and controlled by the chair and the ranking media on r respective designees.
▶ 2:34:46And finale rule provides that day during the period 26 through july consent calendar purposes of 202 of national emergency act, 50 U.S.c. 1622, with. Respect to a joint resolution on february 1s. April 2025.
▶ 2:35:14July 30th, 25 or 6, 2025. >> thank you very much. I want,n when I said there will be a motion from the I'm y, you will Mr. do the first one, I have an amendment rule. I move the make an three to h.r.
▶ 2:35:4321 nie offered by less than the vices and the bill. The devices used, and the efficiency of local, state and tribal law enforcement, meaning that usersd less than lethal weapons.
▶ 2:36:02But the bill goes way beyond that at these weapons, including with violent felony is a having to go through a check name of the bill is the law enforcement of eight, uh, law enforcement innovate and this is supposed to officers get tasers, not all other stuff.
▶ 2:36:25So by voting yes on my motion, youw enforcement without allowing more weapons to be put. The violent convicts, domestic abusers and dangerous order. Isr discussion on mcgovern? >> hearing on the all those in favor signify by those say no.
▶ 2:36:54So in the opinion the chair, the noes have it. Mr., request a roll call the clerk, Mrs. fischbach. Fischbach. No. . Mr. no jensen I meant just how Mr. lany Mr. scott uh, Mr. Mr. griffith.n yes. Mr. mcgovern a one.
▶ 2:37:25>> Mr. >> and I, this pleasure. Oh, madam. >> no. >> the clerk report the total three ayes, eight, to further d, the amendment. >> I have an make an order. Amendment number two to h.r. 2029, offered by representatives.
▶ 2:37:53Cloud moore and which will the federal or taking short the and although ie the policy promised to include this proposal as paro do so but speaker johnson is not so in.
▶ 2:38:14December, when the ndaa passed speaker said the speaker has promised end quote more and begt forgotten about this promise either deserve to know republicans on the rules committee support.
▶ 2:38:34I urge a yes vote on my motion and I yield discussion on the amendment quen the amendment, all those sayingy no. Uh and if the amendment. Is not agreed, the spock. No norman Mr. roy. Mr. roy no. Mr.
▶ 2:39:10Langworthy. No. Mr. scott. Mr. . Gray, now. Mr. no. Mcgovern I Mr. mcgovern, mi, madam. Chair. It report the three eyes, nose. The noes have it.
▶ 2:39:37The amendment is not your recognized section four of the.g the administration july 1st, jus really it is no secret that in private members of congress wits tariff
▶ 2:40:08Voicing their concerns in public and believe it. But they. Representative bacon said today that he is at ease damage that y are doing to our represent talke over say on tariffs. They want. Us to be able to do our job theo vote this week to come. What's this house is scared.
▶ 2:40:36They know that the republican house finally, after from doing already done, is poised these ue and downright dumb. And the white house said jump and speaker when? Well I guess the answer. Is until july. Harassment that f this committee and the republicans go with this.
▶ 2:41:09You knew it would pass because they are driving up costs for her. They are pretty price for this president. And they're not based on reality is up the tab. Things are getting more expensive taking that vote, you are rules to protect house and your members. Continues to increase.e prices of americans paying for food.
▶ 2:41:39For gas, and for everyday defense of the constitution and the role of the congress. I pley colleagues to vote on my to gete power that it. Is constitutionally our to supporte rotten, stupid tariffs, you for that is this is the. New law.
▶ 2:42:09And with that, uh, I yield back .. Yes, this court. >> Mr. um, amendment . It is the impact of these tarr colleagues in private conversation hear them openly tt these tariffs have been a
▶ 2:42:42Disaster passed these bills. The only way that the with it is yoa procedural thing shocking . The denial of to live throughs when we see ice agents, uh, killing chickens streets. Do not believe the.
▶ 2:43:05Um, I obviously can't support the underlying rule. I think it showed us that our colleagues will not stand up and actually. Just take a vote on the tariffs . >> this ledger, madam much.
▶ 2:43:28>> and, you know, kind of reminds me of the the time thate nine republicans are going to vote. This is, fifth time, we're going to prevent the house gislason tt .
▶ 2:43:54They are now to america's families and to america. We often and thousandsf dollars that, uh pay because of. But doing our small businesses, 70 small businesses about how I. 50 employees. And less said, we continue this right.
▶ 2:44:22They talked about. How 120,000 workers, low businesses in november 2025 related to the. This administration that floor and it they have seen in years and sometimes in decades.
▶ 2:44:48And they keep going over and over again with this trick of saying, you s it's 24 hours and every where le and vote on the day that our families pay more and that are small. These are their for that.
▶ 2:45:15Uh different small business organization. These tariffs. Are horrible. They're killing us. But you all looking down in your phone want to acknowledge. That these tariffs are bad. The. Uh, with that I thank.
▶ 2:45:42>> well, I'm not uh, I want my n the other side this court heard argument on. November 5th on the the authority to impose a.
▶ 2:45:57Our extend days as well 116th and ct like the blanket prohibitions on covid under, this extension will allow the supreme
▶ 2:46:30. Court the time the consequente we move the. And so I now is, y, we should show our power to shot up for the supreme court the fie this, um, in friends, you know, have to live up to jod that's not what we're doing.
▶ 2:47:04Supreme >> well, I just how people can e different choices of you're in y minority. Any further questions on the amendment all those in favor signify by saying I those opposed say no. No in the opinion chair of the noes have it the. >> Mrs. fischbach. Mr.. Mrs.
▶ 2:47:38Hawken. Mrs. hawken. No. Mr. langworthy Mr. not Mr. griffith griffith. No. Mr. jack Mr. jack I. Mr. mcgovern I miss scanlon. Mr. neguse, miss. Leger fernandez, miss. Leger fernandez I madam chair.
▶ 2:48:01No three I's, eight no's. The noes have it. >> further amendment or discussion? Hearing? No further discussion. The questions on the mother jordan. All those in favor signify by saying aye. Opposed say no. No. The ayes have motion is agreed to for roll call.
▶ 2:48:31>> I think it's a the clerk wil. >> Mrs. fischbach I Mr. norman. Mr. roy. Mr. I Mrs. hodgson, Mrs. haugen Mr. langworthy I Mr. scott I Mr. griffith Mr. beck Mr. jack I Mr. mcgovern no miss scanlon miss scanlon no.
▶ 2:48:57Miss leger fernandez, miss leger fernandez chair, I the clerk will report the the ce gentleman from the be managing the roll for them. Mr. joe neguse will handle it for the minority is adjourned.