▶ 0:00:04Good morning. I'd like to welcome uh the new ranking member, Ro Khanna, uh to his new role on the committee. He's been an outstanding member of this committee and look forward to working together uh as we have in the past. And you know, on this committee, there's a long history of bipartisan work being done. Uh the strength of this committee, just like our nation's support of is grounded in bipartisanship, and I hope that tradition will continue.
▶ 0:00:32Uh the staff on your side has been uh outstanding under the leadership of Raja Krishnamoorthi, and with a track record of doing tremendous work together with our team. And we look forward to working together in the months ahead. Uh I also want to take a moment to welcome Ambassador Yu, Alexander Yu from Taiwan, who is joining us this morning. Uh welcome, Ambassador.
▶ 0:00:57Uh that illustrates both the bipartisan nature of this relationship and the steadfast relationship between the United States and Taiwan. One of the committee's most recent bipartisan efforts was the 10 more for Taiwan report we released in December, which focused on how we can strengthen our nation's security partnership with The report, coincidentally, was re- released the same week the Trump administration approved $11 billion in arms sales to Taiwan,
▶ 0:01:27demonstrating a continued commitment to peace through strength in the Taiwan Strait. The sale upset the CCP, and it responded with aggressive military drills meant to intimidate Taiwan and its dem- democratically elected government. We're all fully aware of the threat that a PLA military invasion of Taiwan poses.
▶ 0:01:50Today, in this hearing, the Select Committee on China will examine the CCP's non-military aggression against Taiwan is a vibrant democratic society, a crucial part of world supply chains, and a close partner of the United But make no mistake, even in the absence of a military invasion, the CCP has no interest in peace. It seeks to dominate Taiwan and the freedom-loving people who live there.
▶ 0:02:20It wishes to subject the people of Taiwan to the same loss of freedom and human rights the world has seen occur in Hong Kong, where just this week a court issued the tragic decision to give Jimmy Lai what is essentially a death Under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the CCP is willing to use any weapon it can to threaten Taiwanese society and Through economic coercion, legal manipulation, the exploitation
▶ 0:02:51of international organizations, and lies about the history, China seeks to isolate Taiwan and draw it closer into its orbit. The party has a clear plan. Weaken Taiwan's resolve, undermine its democratic institutions, and manipulate the information the people of Taiwan see and hear.
▶ 0:03:14The CCP's economic and trade coercion has forced targeted export bans, such as a ban on Taiwanese pineapples, import inspections, tourism restrictions, and the mislabeling of Taiwan by international companies, including airlines and hotel chains. It launches millions of cyberattacks each day on the island.
▶ 0:03:38It co-opts local media and business leaders, and deploys misinformation and deep fakes to target Taiwanese politician and the island's sovereignty. The CCP even wants the world to believe that it has a historic tie to Taiwan, but never in history has the CCP ruled The CCP's gaslighting and gray zone tactics reflect a doctrine of incremental
▶ 0:04:09aggression. They destabilize Taiwan's democratic government and allow China to shift the balance of power without triggering formal war. If left unchecked, these tactics risk hollowing out the island's democracy long before a single PLA soldier ever sets foot on Taiwan.
▶ 0:04:30Now, as America prepares to mark its 250th anniversary next year, and Taiwan approaches 30 years since its first direct presidential election, our democracies remind the entire world of one crucial fact. Democracy is not an accident.
▶ 0:04:50It's a choice, and one that is renewed by every This shared commitment is exactly why Congress continues to strengthen its ties with Taiwan across every domain, diplomatically, economically, and with peace through strength. The coming years will be decisive in shaping Beijing's calculations. We cannot afford complacency, and our message must remain clear.
▶ 0:05:17America's commitment to peace, stability, and Taiwan self-determination is bipartisan and unwavering. That's why Congress will act decisively alongside our allies to deter CCP defend democratic values, and ensure a free and open Indo-Pacific. And with that, I now recognize my friend, the ranking member, Raja Krishnamoorthi for his opening Thank you.
▶ 0:05:48Thank you.
▶ 0:12:04Thank you, ranking member, and I may have mistakenly referred to you as Raja Krishnamoorthi earlier in my comments. So, my apologies. I got used to Raja being here with us and uh Good guy. He is a good guy. But, uh I appreciate your comments. I I will say, you know, we as this committee focuses on what we can do in a bipartisan way, I look forward to that.
▶ 0:12:30I will just object to some of points you made. I think if you look at the president's commitment in terms of arms sales it's about three times what any other previous president has done with respect to Taiwan. And when you look at the investment that's happening, $500 billion Taiwanese investment in the United States.
▶ 0:12:54When you look at uh the United States being the highest market, the strongest market for Taiwanese goods um and a trade deal being negotiated with the you know, second in command coming here to to sign a trade deal.
▶ 0:13:13I I don't want I recognize there are differences in viewpoints of administrations, but I want our focus to be on what we can do together as a country to make sure we support Taiwan and and with that, I'd like to just invite our witnesses. We've got a tremendous group of witnesses uh here today and um I want to introduce those uh first.
▶ 0:13:46Let me just start with Julian Ku, uh the Morris Dean Distinguished Professor of Constitutional Law at Hofstra Mr. Ku's scholarship focuses on the relationship between constitutional and international law.
▶ 0:14:05He's a leading expert on global lawfare and how the CCP works to exploit the international legal order to promote its own agenda and to silence and isolate Taiwan. We also have here today Ms. Shirley Kan an independent specialist in Indo-Pacific security affairs. Ms.
▶ 0:14:26Kan is a senior adjunct special fellow at the Pacific Forum, a founding member of the advisory board of the Global Taiwan Institute, and has served in government and in many roles including here on the Hill with the Congressional Research Service and within the Defense Attaché Office at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing. She's a leading global expert on U.S. policy toward Taiwan. And finally, we have Dr.
▶ 0:14:53Mira Rapp-Hooper a visiting senior fellow at the Brookings Institute. Uh Dr. Rapp-Hooper most recently served as senior director for East Asia and Oceania on the National Security Council for President Joe Biden where she helped shape the administration's Indo-Pacific strategy while managing key initiatives such as the Quad, the U.S.-Japan trilateral, and other regional economic and security I want to welcome all of
▶ 0:15:23our witnesses today and thank you for being here this morning. And Mr. Ku, you are now recognized for your opening remarks. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Ranking Member and members of this committee. I appreciate the opportunity to testify about the People's Republic of China's use of lawfare against My central point is this. The People's Republic of China is using law not merely to justify force, but to substitute for it.
▶ 0:15:52Through legal and quasi-legal means, Beijing is attempting to coerce Taiwan, its supporters, and even foreign nationals, even U.S. citizens, below the threshold of armed conflict. If U.S. policy focuses only on deterring invasion, it will miss how Beijing is already changing the status quo against Taiwan and in its favor. Lawfare is a strategic use of legal rules, institutions, and processes to achieve political and military objectives.
▶ 0:16:21While the term emerged in U.S. debates during the war on terrorism, it has long been incorporated into Chinese military doctrine. A defining feature of contemporary PRC lawfare is asymmetry. Beijing exploits the openness and independence of foreign legal systems like the United States, as well as international institutions, while remaining largely insulated from reciprocal legal pressure at home. This matters for Taiwan because PLA doctrine does not treat war and peace as binary states.
▶ 0:16:50Instead, it emphasizes continuous struggle across legal, political, economic, and psychological domains. Within that framework, lawfare is not merely preparatory to military action, it can be a substitute for it.
▶ 0:17:04If Beijing can constrain Taiwan's international participation, its democratic institutions, intimidate its leadership and civil society, and deter foreign engagement through legal pressure, it can achieve its strategic objectives without firing a shot. Ignoring these tactics because they are non-military concedes a critical domain of competition.
▶ 0:17:28Most prominently, the PRC persistently mischaracterizes international law by claiming that UN General Assembly 2758 resolves the questions of Taiwan's sovereignty. In fact, as this Congress has recognized, the resolution addressed only which government would represent China at the United Nations.
▶ 0:17:45It did not determine Taiwan's international legal Nevertheless, through sustained legal pressure and other diplomatic campaigns, Beijing has induced UN bodies and affiliated organizations to treat Taiwan as {quote} a province of China purely as a matter of administrative practice, but which has transformed a contested legal claim into a bureaucratic norm.
▶ 0:18:09Similarly, the PRC asserts that its one China principle is a binding rule of international law, which conflates diplomatic recognition with legal obligation, and it categorically rejects the applicability of the principle of self-determination to the people of Taiwan, claiming the people of Taiwan are not {quote} a people. Uh PRC domestic law reinforces this strategy.
▶ 0:18:31Most recently, PRC authorities have expanded criminal liability for so-called Taiwan independence activities through judicial interpretations and policy documents. These measures criminalize mere political advocacy, including speech occurring entirely outside of the PRC, and explicitly asserts extraterritorial jurisdiction. These are not empty threats.
▶ 0:18:53PRC authorities have issued arrest warrants, wanted notices, and imposed sanctions against Taiwanese officials, political leaders, and online influencers for conduct occurring wholly outside of China. These actions serve classic lawfare functions. They intimidate civil society in Taiwan and delegitimize Taiwan's democratic leadership. PRC law also targets foreign nationals who support Taiwan or oppose China.
▶ 0:19:19As a leading scholar of Chinese law has observed, it is difficult to avoid the conclusion, if you analyze Chinese law, that {quote} any advocacy of Taiwan independence or support for Taiwan by anyone, anywhere, can be treated as a criminal offense under PRC law. My comments just now could be a criminal offense under PRC law.
▶ 0:19:43Uh even if it's unenforceable, it can impose reputational and professional costs and chill lawful and necessary speech. I conclude with recommendations for how the US can respond. First, the US should reaffirm publicly and clearly that Taiwan's international legal status has not been resolved under international law and that the PRC is mischaracterizing resolution 2758.
▶ 0:20:10The US should use its diplomatic pressure to ensure that international institutions stop referring to China as a stop referring to Taiwan as a quote province of China even if it's just for administrative purposes. And the US should refuse cooperation with PRC legal actions that target Taiwan's democratic governance. And even more importantly, it needs to work to push allies to refuse any cooperation with PRC law enforcement authorities.
▶ 0:20:41It needs to and finally, it needs to ensure that court judgments from the People's Republic of China, um which form part of its course of political strategy, are not recognized or enforced in US federal or state Uh to conclude, we must remember that effective deterrence must deny not only invasion but coercive success below the threshold of armed conflict.
▶ 0:21:05Recognizing and countering the PRC's asymmetric warfare is essential to preserving stability in the Taiwan Strait. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ms. Kahn, you may proceed. Thank you. My name is Shirley Kahn, independent specialist who mainly worked for Congress at CRS.
▶ 0:21:28I'm very pleased to testify this hearing today, uh partly because um gaslighting is the term that I used in an article um where I pointed out that the Communist Party of China or CPC has been gaslighting the world about Taiwan. Why is this important? This distortion of reality is political warfare. What is the bottom line up front?
▶ 0:21:55It is critical to counter this political This means showing Xi Jinping that his dream of national rejuvenation with its requirement to attack and annex Taiwan will become a nightmare. However, there are issues about the Trump administration and about Taiwan's giving leverage to Xi Jinping.
▶ 0:22:23Deterrence focuses on the first island However, the unspoken part of that is that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. Another unspoken point is that China might try to coerce Taiwan and other but that coercion is not very effective. Big and small countries have and can stand strong.
▶ 0:22:53However, the opposition parties in Taiwan, the KMT and the TPP, have been undermining deterrence. They have undermined and blocked President Lai's special budget in the The main opposition party, the Kuomintang or KMT, even helps the CPC's propaganda on so-called national rejuvenation and its united front tactics.
▶ 0:23:23So, I have a question, actually two questions for the KMT, the Kuomintang. Does KMT secretly stand for kill me in Taiwan? Is it the kill me in Taiwan party? Can the KMT meet a challenge to write its own national defense strategy?
▶ 0:23:53Now, I want to highlight the big lie. The big lie that is more than just diplomatic annoyance. For years, Beijing's lawfare has been distorting UN General Assembly resolution 2758. For years, I have called for the United just counter this big this fake news and just simply tell the truth. Resolution 2758 did not determine Taiwan's status as part of China.
▶ 0:24:23In fact, it is so egregious that the resolution doesn't even mention Taiwan. Now, China uses the US warning of the PLA's possible attack in 2027.
▶ 0:24:38Palau's courageous President Whipps has explained how China uses this um this warning by telling countries like "Now, 2027 is coming soon and soon you won't have a partner and if you don't denounce Taiwan and join with us now, you'll be left out in the cold." Now, still, Indo-Pacom Commander
▶ 0:25:08Paparo has emphasized that we should not fixate on the date of August 1st, 2027. Because defense must be strong today, in 2027, and in 2028. Now, in this context, the congressional role is critical for oversight of the president and this attention to Taiwan.
▶ 0:25:40On decisions, there is global uncertainty about the president's policies from day to day. I want to highlight that the TRA does not permit the president to decide alone to deal with Taiwan.
▶ 0:25:55On arms sales, I am concerned that the president is going back to the broken of so-called freezes in arms sales to Taiwan so that they're all sent up to congressional notification on one day like what happened on December 17th in one so-called package instead of routine regular notifications to Congress as Congress is is allowed to On strategies, the national security strategy does not
▶ 0:26:26cite the law of the land, the Taiwan Relations Act. The national defense strategy does not mention Taiwan or the TRA. In fact, the Pentagon's Under Secretary for Policy, Elbridge Colby, just spoke in late January and he talked about a stable relationship with China.
▶ 0:26:45But I ask, how can he say that the Trump administration respects China's proud history with its Tiananmen crackdown, genocide of Uyghurs, and the 20-year sentence for Hong Kong's Jimmy Lai?
▶ 0:27:07So, in conclusion, I am confident that many in the United States urge the ruling and opposition to work in a bipartisan basis just as our Congress works on a bipartisan basis to protect the peace and prosperity of Taiwan, especially as we proactively prepare for the timeline looking towards 2027 and 2028.
▶ 0:27:35I don't have time at this in this opening statement to get into those details, but I'm happy to um to be here today. Thank you so much. Thank you, Ms. Kahn, and uh Dr. Rapp-Hooper, the floor is yours. Chairman Moolenaar, Ranking Member Khanna, distinguished members of the House Select Committee on China. Thank you for including me in this important hearing today.
▶ 0:28:02Since its inception, this committee has played a critical role in providing bipartisan oversight and making recommendations that have strengthened US policy towards China and in support of Taiwan. We are at the beginning of what could be the most consequential year in US-China relations in recent history. The world is looking to the leadership of Congress and this committee to signal with resolve and clarity the bipartisan US support for Taiwan that is necessary to maintain its status and its security.
▶ 0:28:33As I outlined in my written testimony, the PRC's use of peacetime coercion against Taiwan is vastly increasing in scope and scale in the military, information, economic, and cyber domains. The PRC's purpose is clear, to demoralize the people on Taiwan so that they conclude that their status quo is untenable and they must submit to the But despite this unrelenting and accelerating pressure, the Taiwan people are resolved.
▶ 0:29:00They increasingly see themselves as Taiwanese, hold unfavorable views of the PRC, oppose unification with China, and strongly support the status quo. Efforts by the United States to rally like-minded partners to Taiwan support have also paid off.
▶ 0:29:16Over the course of the Biden administration, my colleagues and I worked energetically to ensure that American allies from the Indo-Pacific to Europe understood the stakes of a potential Taiwan contingency and were increasingly willing to assume risk to support Taiwan and the status quo. These were not diplomatic niceties.
▶ 0:29:34This was a deliberate effort to ensure that Beijing would have to look beyond Taipei and Washington to make its calculations about potential economic, political, and military responses to a Chinese attack on Taiwan. And these efforts were largely successful. Nowhere is this clearer than in Prime Minister Takaichi Sanae's comments before the Japanese diet that a Chinese attack on Taiwan could constitute a survival threatening situation to Japan.
▶ 0:30:01But Taiwan and our allies resolve cannot be taken for granted. Both are predicated on a status quo that must be backstopped by a clear and consistent United States. This makes the PRC's latest Taiwan tactics noteworthy. Over the course of the last several months, it has become evident that the PRC is attempting to shape US policy towards Taiwan through ongoing trade The PRC's approach appears to be at least twofold.
▶ 0:30:28First, to degrade or delay American security assistance to Taiwan by objecting to arms sales and defense dialogues. And second, to push for changes to US declaratory policy on Taiwan, advocating for language that the United States {quote} opposes Taiwan independence or {quote} supports peaceful reunification. The intent may be to ask for policy changes so specific that they do not trip a strong reaction from Congress or from the American public.
▶ 0:30:53But, at a time when Taiwan is demonstrating a renewed commitment to its own defense and resilience, such a setback could not only demoralize the people on Taiwan, but drain political support from these vital efforts when there is absolutely no time to waste. In the coming weeks, the Congress, with the leadership of this committee, can take decisive action to demonstrate that American policy towards Taiwan remains strong, bipartisan, and consistent.
▶ 0:31:19In my written testimony, I share eight policy recommendations and will summarize just a few of them here. First, Congress can reaffirm the Taiwan Relations Act and codify the Six Assurances as law. Congress should disabuse the PRC's attempt to connect Taiwan to trade talks on a bipartisan and bicameral basis and should pass a resolution reaffirming overwhelming support for the TRA and passing the Six Assurances Act into law.
▶ 0:31:45Second, and relatedly, Congress should also codify the other essential elements of our Taiwan policy to limit the PRC's ability to reinterpret or re-litigate these aspects of our policy. A single resolution, for example, could list out all of the essential elements, including our One China policy, the TRA, Six Assurances, Taiwan Travel Act, support for peace and stability in the Strait, opposition to unilateral changes to the status quo, and belief that Taiwan's future should be determined peacefully and consistent
▶ 0:32:16with the wishes of the Taiwan people. This could serve as a basis for combating PRC disinformation and would reduce doubt in Taipei and other capitals that the PRC may be able to shape US policy. Third, Congress must strengthen Taiwan's ability to resist gray zone coercion given the onslaught of diversifying PRC tactics.
▶ 0:32:36This committee can work with the administration to prioritize area for gray zone support and insert a provision into the next NDAA that mandates a strategy for immediate Fourth, Congress should relatedly advance strategic support to Taiwan's presidential election in 2028 and press the administration to support local elections in 2026.
▶ 0:32:56Fifth, Congress can ensure that extreme PRC behavior does not become the routine by working with the executive to release statements and hold hearings every time the PRC undertakes a large-scale military exercise that surrounds Taiwan or begins an economic pressure campaign against an ally like Japan using Taiwan as pretext.
▶ 0:33:17Sixth and finally, Congress should keep Taiwan's most powerful partners mobilized by asking the administration to report on a classified basis its efforts with all Indo-Pacific and European allies on all issues related to Taiwan. A stronger and more resilient Taiwan requires accelerated efforts to strengthen conventional deterrence as well as to respond to the PRC's daily accelerating use of peacetime coercion.
▶ 0:33:43But, in this moment, Taiwan's security also requires a unified and unmistakable message from the US Congress. The long-standing bipartisan US support for Taiwan indoors. I look forward to answering your questions. Thank you very much to all of our witnesses for their opening testimony and um I'd like to now move to questions and I'd like to start with a few uh Ms.
▶ 0:34:10Kahn, how is China attempting to distort history to limit Taiwan's relationship with the United States and other countries? And Well, distorting the history um is is amazing to me sometimes that China even tries to lecture us on our history. I mean, that's that's how egregious it can be. Almost to the point of, well, you had your civil war.
▶ 0:34:40But, if if you use that analogy, well, then the communists were the real real rebels and, you know, it was Taiwan, the Republic of China, that is the nationalist government. So, they've flipped it around. So, that's one. We need to know our own history and not let China distort our history for us, which is pretty egregious. The second thing is this constant refrain of um oh, well, you know, China has suffered this um this 100 years of humiliation.
▶ 0:35:09Well, we also need to know our own history that we were not part of that and that in fact the United States was part of building up a reformist republican China. And we worked very, very hard indeed to even have um scholarships for people from China over 100 years ago. Um and so um Ms.
▶ 0:35:31Tokuda also knows that it was in Honolulu that the founding father of the Republic of China, uh that's where he studied when he was young in her great state. So, we have actually a very, very strong relationship with China in terms of a re- reformist and democratic China. Thank you.
▶ 0:35:55And I wonder if each of you could give me your impression because one of the uh things that has come up in the uh National Defense Strategy was that Taiwan was not mentioned by name. How uh how important is that? Um I know that in the strategy it emphasizes preventing any nation, including China, from dominating the first island chain.
▶ 0:36:24And that being central to protecting US allies, partners, and freedom of maneuver in the western Pacific. Do you think there needs to be more clarity when it comes to external communications on this? Uh yeah, who whoever would like to start. Mr. Coe, maybe start with you and then go right down the Um yeah, I don't I think clarity is usually good.
▶ 0:36:50Um sometimes it's not necessary and I think one thing that we sometimes have a problem with is clarity without being backed up with action. So, I think um in this case, whether you mention Taiwan, if you're focused on defending the first island chain, I think that could be, you know, what you need to do and that's fine. I think if you didn't mention Taiwan cuz you're afraid of offending China, which I think is a suspicion, that would be bad, right? So, I think it's hard for me to read the tea leaves on what happened here. Um I think clarity I think the but echoing what Ms. Rep.
▶ 0:37:20Cooper mentioned, I think the the one thing that rhetoric does matter for is trying to show to Taiwan and international partners and allies the US is still committed to Taiwan and I think that's where, you know, the whether it's in the strategy or somewhere else, that's the public statements do make a difference in that Yes, thank you. So, I have um more details in my testimony.
▶ 0:37:45The National Security emphasizes that deterring a conflict over Taiwan is a priority. So, that is an important point that's still in the National Security Strategy. The problem is it doesn't say deterring against whom. So, you know, it does not cite China as threatening that conflict that we need to deter.
▶ 0:38:07Now, the NSS also does not cite the law of the land, the Taiwan Relations Act And that to me is is problematic because it is, you know, regardless of the Six Assurances and every other thing that we might talk about, any of the joint um communiques, it is really the Taiwan Relations Act that is the most important for governing policy.
▶ 0:38:34And it is a change because in the first term, 8 years ago, the 2017 National Security Strategy did did cite the TRA. the current policy also did not cite even the One China policy. Now, I'm not saying we have to cite it, but I just found it very interesting that even this so-called One China policy was left off and China didn't go ballistic over it either figuratively or literally.
▶ 0:39:04So, um but I as I mentioned, the National Defense Strategy is even more uh vague because not only did it not cite the TRA, it also did not cite Taiwan.
▶ 0:39:18And then, when we go into the statements by officials to further explain what that strategy means, it continues to raise even more questions of why are we respecting this so-called proud history with all the atrocities and threats that we know And the bottom line is that there's just compared to a year ago, even a year ago, there's just much less talk from officials
▶ 0:39:48about Thank you. Ms. Representative Thank you very much, Chairman, for what I think is a very important question. Um as the ranking member did observe in his opening comments, um I do believe uh that it can be challenging for us if an important partner like Taiwan is omitted from the NDS, um in no small part because uh we have seen in the Chinese press efforts to interpret that as a deliberate or indicative omission.
▶ 0:40:17So, even if the omission was not indicative, um and important steps like the historic arms package that was passed in December uh 2025 indicate a strong commitment, uh it leaves open space to interpret otherwise. But, to take that further, and I think as both my fellow witnesses have indicated, the declaratory policy that we use over Taiwan is both especially important and especially complex.
▶ 0:40:41Um we know both in the political science literature, um as an academic, and I know from my time as a policy maker, that when US declaratory policy appears to change, even if it is not deliberate, adversaries often do interpret that um one way or another, and again, um often when there is no reason to.
▶ 0:41:00But, the reason that I have made the recommendation to this committee that Congress should pass a resolution codifying all elements of our Taiwan policy is because we do see changes between administrations in the language that they use in both the National Security Strategy and National Defense Strategy.
▶ 0:41:16And because of Congress's statutory authority and long history in providing bipartisan support to our Taiwan policy, I think a congressional resolution that lays out clearly all of the elements of that policy would help to guard against some of that misinterpretation that can come from omission from a strategy document. Thank you. Thank you. Uh with that, I'd like to call on our ranking member Representative Khanna. Thank you, uh Mr. Chair. Ms.
▶ 0:41:46uh Khanna, I appreciated uh your testimony as the uh majority witness today. Would you say that you have concerns about President Trump's policy in his second term in terms of being clear and consistent enough to guarantee Taiwan's security?
▶ 0:42:13As I mentioned, one question has been about the uncertainty of his policies from day to day, whether the disruptions are welcome or not. So, is he a statesman or is he a peacemaker or is he a madman?
▶ 0:42:29But, I just want to emphasize for members and also the American public that the Taiwan Relations Act does not permit the president to decide alone on both coercion as well as use of
▶ 0:42:44I appreciate that, and but it seems like you have concerns, right? You were concerned that he has bundled the arms sales and hasn't had regular notifications. You're concerned with some of the language he's used in uh abandoning uh Taiwan as a bargaining chip. Would you Would you say that's a fair characterization
▶ 0:43:02Well, I want to be clear that we have not abandoned Taiwan. So, I want to be clear, and I I stated that in my written statement, and I didn't have time to go over in the opening. But, would there Would there be a few areas that you think he needs to be stronger in that to to guarantee Taiwan's security? So, in terms of being stronger, I would want I I I do not agree with the so-called packaging. We should not be talking about packages of arms sales for one thing.
▶ 0:43:27There should not have been eight programs, eight different programs that totaled $11 billion of arms sales to Taiwan that were notified to Congress on one day on the
▶ 0:43:37other areas that you have concerns or is that the main concern? Well, that is the main concern, and also to let the the members know that the TRA does not allow the president to decide alone. Uh Dr. Representative uh Hooper, uh do you believe that uh President Trump in his second term has been consistent and clear enough to guarantee the security of Taiwan? Mr.
▶ 0:44:00Ranking Member, as I shared in my last response, uh I do think it would be to the benefit of the United States to see a clarification of the United States policy towards Taiwan by way of a clear statement of all elements of that policy, including all of those that I mentioned in my last remarks. Thank you. Mr. Cole, the same question to you. Well, I I think from my point of view, every president could do a better job being clear on Taiwan.
▶ 0:44:27Um I'm not uh thrilled with the way the president's talked about Taiwan. Um I do think
▶ 0:44:32specifically are you upset about in terms of
▶ 0:44:35not loving when he says the New York Times it's up to Xi what to do about Taiwan. I think that's a little out of context, but I think it leaves kind of the bad sort of So, you don't think that's a partisan comment that I made. I mean, you that is a genuine concern.
▶ 0:44:46Right. I I would just point out, I'm not trying to play both sides here, but I think we American presidents are often confused on Taiwan. Um and sometimes the rhetoric can be confusing even the other way. When President Biden said the US would put troops to defend Taiwan, that's good, but it wasn't clear that he really meant it, and everyone got confused as well. So,
▶ 0:45:03What are What are three things that President Trump's administration could do better to make sure that we have uh and consistency in the standing up for Taiwan's security? Right. So, I I um I think that a a rhetorical campaign to say that to reaffirm from the president's own mouth that he's opposed he is affirming the TRA and peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait, and he's committed to deterring any conflict and any attempt by China to coerce Taiwan. Just Just make that statement. Um that would go a long way.
▶ 0:45:32I think obviously the president's likes to say is in his in his own way, but I think here we could use some clarity from the president himself. I think his administration has been a little bit better on this, but the president obviously counts, and so I would prefer if he would just say that the TRA and the one China policy is the law uh of the policy of the United States, and his administration is committed to it just as he was in the first administration. I appreciate that, uh Mr. Chairman. I I appreciate actually a lot of the majority witnesses. I agree with some of their comments.
▶ 0:46:00I hope that this committee can be bipartisan in calling for more clarity in the administration's policies to guarantee the security of of Thank you, uh Representative Barr. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and you know, strategic ambiguity has always been a curious policy uh in regardless of the administration, and I appreciate the ranking member's uh concerns.
▶ 0:46:28I uh want to go point out the the important context um you know, the National Defense uh Strategy establishes a strong defense along the first island chain. It references the Senkaku Islands, South China Sea, Taiwan Strait. That is not an abandonment of Taiwan. Um I would argue that enhanced military-to-military communication is not appeasement as my friend the ranking member uh likes to characterize it. In contrast, look at the NDAA that this president signed.
▶ 0:46:56The Coins Act, a new tool of economic statecraft to deny Chinese access to American capital markets in sensitive technologies and entities of national security concern. The PRC Malign Influence Act. The The Stop China Fentanyl Act. Enhanced relations with Japan. Uh that is deterrence. That is enhanced deterrence.
▶ 0:47:17Um I would also uh urge uh all of my colleagues uh to take a look at uh what else is in the NDAA that this president signed. $15.6 billion uh for the Pacific Deterrence Initiative. $490 million in Indo-Pacom commander priorities left unfunded by the Biden administration.
▶ 0:47:40Uh increased funding for innovative new technologies to deter the CCP, including hypersonics, AI, autonomous systems, cyber, mobile uh micro nuclear reactors, high-energy lasers. Requires the Navy to implement a program to ensure surface fleet can rearm at sea. Supports the Marine Corps 31 amphibious warship requirements. Uh enables efficiency in the congressionally authorized block buy. Requires DOD to report to Congress on growing military cooperation between China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran.
▶ 0:48:09And then specifically on Taiwan, the bill that President Trump signed reaffirms US support to defense of Taiwan. Establishes the Taiwan Security Cooperation Initiative to provide the military and security forces of Taiwan with lethal assistance to enable Taiwan to maintain self-defense capabilities. Authorizes DOD to establish a joint program on military trauma care with the military forces of Taiwan. Authorizes funding for US forces to continue training Taiwan.
▶ 0:48:37Requires DOD to assess and plan to include Taiwan in more defense industrial base cooperation and revitalization agreements. Mandates an assessment of deploying asymmetric naval assets for Taiwan's defense and any vulnerabilities of Taiwan's naval platforms. By the way, the focus on the Western Hemisphere in the National Defense Strategy, not ignoring uh China. Focusing on Greenland, focusing on the Golden Dome, that is deterrence of China.
▶ 0:49:02Focusing on getting China out of Panama and reestablishing strong American presence in Panama, very pro uh deterrence. getting rid of Maduro in Venezuela where China had a base of operation in the Western Hemisphere, not a lack of deterrence. Very pro deterrence. and I I So, I just think there needs to be some context.
▶ 0:49:24I do appreciate the testimony uh that uh Congress might consider um uh reaffirming uh the Taiwan Relations Act, uh and I I that's a good idea. The Six Assurances to Taiwan Act is not a bad idea. Now, to quickly to a Um, the Trump administration in fact did announce an $11 billion arms sale to Taiwan, the largest in history that included HIMARS missile systems and drones.
▶ 0:49:50I commend the president for approving this historical sale that sends a clear message to China that the United States and this administration stands against their course of acts with the people of Taiwan. Ms. Khan, the backlog of US weapons to Taiwan still stands at $21 billion. What needs to happen to expedite the delivery of these weapons to Taiwan? And with this new $11 billion announcement from President Trump, what do we need? The Porcupine Act? What's the answer? The Porcupine Act is a is a great proposal.
▶ 0:50:20Uh, and and our colleague, uh, uh, Mr. Wittman has, uh, offered that, uh, for this, uh, committee's Well, the, um, the continuation of weapons sales to Taiwan is an important signal. And it's important that every administration has continued to to make that happen for Congress. My concern is about the process and that's what I'm highlighting for congressional oversight.
▶ 0:50:47Because of the history, the history is that under President Bush and Obama, we had long periods of so-called freezes in arms sales to Taiwan, long periods under Obama which started under Bush. Where Congress did not get the congressional review of arms sales until they were all sent up in a so-called package, which is why I really object to the word package. They should not be sent up on one day.
▶ 0:51:11And so, I what I'm calling for is simply that congressional review means that the president respects that congressional review and sends the pending arms sales to Congress on a regular routine basis as it should be done. And and my time is expired, but Dr., uh, uh, Rep. Huper, maybe in another answer to another question, you could also address the Porcupine Act and how we can ex- expedite these arms sales and get rid of this backlog. I yield back.
▶ 0:51:40Thank you, Representative Moulton. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Um, our new ranking member laid out an important and comprehensive list of ways in which the current administration has weakened America's posture of deterrence against the Chinese Communist Party. Now, you interjected after his testimony that you disagree because of the of one thing, the major arms deal that this administration has put forward toward And our colleague, Mr.
▶ 0:52:05Barr, uh, just laid out his own list of things, uh, that he claims are enhanced deterrence, but are almost all things that came from the bipartisan bill out of the Armed Services Committee in Congress, on which I serve. Trump just signed that bill, I would note after repeatedly threatening not to for political reasons. So, I just like to share of some observations of this administration's China policy. These are all quotes. Let's start with that arms deal.
▶ 0:52:30The Trump administration's record-building, breaking $11 billion arm sale to Taiwan in December, which will take many years to fully deliver, was merely a pretext for the latest step in Beijing's long-running campaign of rising Another quote, "Ever since she out-escalated Trump in 2025, culminating in the US president's climb down on tariffs and export controls, the White House has conspicuously avoided meaningful statements of support for Pacific allies and partners, even as Beijing has increased its military threats towards
▶ 0:53:01Japan and Taiwan. Trump has approved selling to Beijing for no concessions in return advanced American AI chips that will help the Chinese military accelerate technological gains over the US military." Some more, "Trump drives EU trade war over Greenland.
▶ 0:53:18China, Russia see Another, "Solidifying a detente with Xi Jinping that in a reversal of years of US policy would more closely integrate China into US manufacturing and supply The Venezuela raids' potential for strengthening US deterrence of China around Taiwan, another issue cited by my colleague, is outweighed by Trump's conciliatory posture towards Beijing in recent months.
▶ 0:53:44Washington's political posture towards China hints at hesitancy and Trump's evolving foreign policy with its focus on the near abroad and aversion to upsetting Beijing could encourage Xi Jinping to accelerate his goal of annexing Taiwan." Do you know where these quotes come Mr.
▶ 0:54:08Chairman, every one of these statements is from Matt Pottinger, former Deputy National Security Advisor under Trump, the first Trump administration's China lead, completely eviscerating the arguments that we just heard. Mr.
▶ 0:54:28Chairman, you noted the bipartisan tradition of this committee and you and I both remember Kurt Campbell, President Biden's China lead, when he told us how much he respected Matt Pottinger, a Democrat saying he respected him, and how closely aligned their policies But here's the reality, there is far more alignment between the first Trump administration and the Biden than between the first Trump administration and the second Trump when it comes to China
▶ 0:54:59policy. And that's why the architect of these has laid out in far more quotes than I would have the time to cite this how dangerous they are.
▶ 0:55:18The stakes are too high here because what we're talking about is deterrence, preventing a war, a war that would not just cost Taiwan its freedom and independence and millions of lives, but will cost Perhaps hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives, as well. A war that could literally be World War III.
▶ 0:55:47And this is exactly why the witnesses have called for passing a congressional about our China policy to solidify what we know is bipartisan concern about this administration's China policy for all the reasons we've heard laid out today. The problem is that that bipartisan concern is in private. It's our committee's responsibility to make it public.
▶ 0:56:16That's our constitutional duty to serve as a check and balance on the administration, not a mouthpiece for it. So, I hope we can do that and I hope we can come together in an honest, bipartisan way to support strengthening our posture of deterrence towards China and strengthening the alliance between Taiwan and the United States of America.
▶ 0:56:47I yield back. Thank you, Representative Gimenez. Thank you. I'll use yours. Yeah. Thank you. Um, I always say that it's more important what you do than what you say.
▶ 0:57:11And so, um, what, uh, what's a clear indication of what this administration feels about China is what they ask for in defense And so, we're now close to what, $1 trillion in defense spending. It's not because we're afraid of Russia or anything. The only thing that we're spending that much money for is to deter We're hearing also that next year the administration will be asking for $1.5 trillion in dollars in defense spending.
▶ 0:57:38Again, that's to deter our number one adversary, which is China. I'm not sure we're going to be able to get there, but to me that's a very clear indication of what this administration wants to do and a very clear signal to the Chinese that, "Hey, we see you. We see what you're doing and we're going to do everything in our power to make sure that whatever it is that you want, you can't get." China wants to be the number one economic and military, uh, power by the year 2049.
▶ 0:58:06And we're going to do everything in our power to make sure they never attain And so again, I'm not a lot of people here or, you know, he said this, they said that. Again, I only I only care about what you do because that's the clearest indication of what you want. And that's a very clear indication to me that this administration takes China very, very seriously, like we do. We take China very, very seriously.
▶ 0:58:29And so, when the administration asks for $1.5 trillion in dollars, most of us are here in this committee will say, "Okay, we understand. I'm not sure we're going to get there, okay? But we do understand." So, one thing also my colleague said is that China's our our policies towards China and Taiwan has have been strategic ambiguity.
▶ 0:58:53You look, I think if you look up the world word ambiguity, it means that you don't know what it is. Okay? So, we want a one China, but we also want a separate Taiwan, but sometimes we do and sometimes we don't.
▶ 0:59:12And so, people want clarity except that for decades, for decades, through many our China policy has been strategic Um, and so, uh, that, uh, the president or any president makes ambiguous um, it actually follows the strategic policy of the United States. Actually, President Biden when he was in office, he said that he would defend Taiwan.
▶ 0:59:42He said it like six times. He would defend Taiwan. It actually violates strategic ambiguity policy. But he said it and then he walked it back after he said it. Um, and so again, uh, you know, for those on the other side of the aisle, that's been our policy for a long time. We're going back to lawfare now, which is I think what this is all about. Um, uh, Mr.
▶ 1:00:08Koo, do you have a specific of when the United States sided with the CCP over Taiwan over a specific issue uh, that you you were talking about? No, I don't I don't think the United States under any administration has sided with Taiwan. I think in general over the long course since 1971, the US has just neglected to to fight back.
▶ 1:00:34So, in the UN, China has convinced all the administrative agencies in the UN that Taiwan should be treated as a province of China and the successive administrations kind of turned a blind eye and didn't speak up and didn't exert pressure to push back on that. And that's what I'm worried about. It's not so much that we're going to cooperate, it's that we'll not notice what's going on. And that's what I'm mainly concerned about. And you're And you're saying that what's going on is is far greater than what we're noticing. Right. Well, I mean, we're noticing it, but we're not doing anything about it, right?
▶ 1:01:02And so this And because I think obviously there are more important things going on. We need to get defense spending up. We need to deter military invasion. But I'm what I'm saying is that this is also important and we should not And And this is much less costly. And these are There are things we can do to push back at this sort of level that can make a difference on on the lawfare front. A lot of it's just paying attention and calling it out. Is it one of the things that the CCP is actively focused in on?
▶ 1:01:27I mean, when the the CCP wants to dominate a certain they really incentivize that sector. So, is the CCP incentivizing lawfare, the legal sector, in order to undermine US interests around the world? Right. I mean, I think that this is I think that to be honest, China cares a lot more about Taiwan than the United States does. And so they spend a lot more resources in their government thinking of different ways to promote their narrative. And the US just doesn't have enough resources or attention span to push back.
▶ 1:01:56Um, and so I think that's you know, with other countries that adopt a version of the one China policy, even countries that are US allies adopt you know, versions of one China policy that are not what the US would support, um, the US doesn't really push back on this or doesn't notice it. And that type of stuff, I think, can make a difference. All these statements at the UN. It Frankly, it's more just we just don't pay enough attention. And that's where we And And China's motivated and Fair enough. And now you're back.
▶ 1:02:26Thank you, Representative Takano. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you to the witnesses for being here. Miss let's be clear here. There needs to be no ambiguity that Taiwan is not a bargaining chip for trade. 100%. I agree with you. Congress needs to take decisive action to disavow this notion that somehow they are on the negotiating table. So, I have some very quick questions that I'd like you to address here.
▶ 1:02:52I want to do all those resos, pass all those affirmations, but one, what happens if we do nothing before those talks in April? Two, when those talks happen, if we have failed to do anything, what key signals should we be looking for? What should we be concerned about in terms of the verbage, the language, the decisions coming out of it? And three, as it relates to Taiwan, what would be the best possible outcome from these negotiations?
▶ 1:03:17What do we need to push for in terms of what comes out of these trade talks as it relates to the security and sovereignty of Taiwan? Thank you, Congressman. Congresswoman, for the very comprehensive questions.
▶ 1:03:33I'll do my very best to answer them Um, to your question, what happens if Congress does not act to reaffirm the essential elements of American Taiwan policy, um, the concern would be that whether a deliberate concession is made or not, Xi Jinping Beijing will represent that some kind of concession or change has been made.
▶ 1:03:56Um, that the failure to reaffirm wholeheartedly and in a detailed manner all of these elements of Taiwan policy may leave the space for the Chinese side to interpret that there has been some change and to publicize that not only in Taipei, but in other American allied capitals. Um, to your question, you know, what would happen then? Um, that could potentially erode the credibility of American commitments not only to Taiwan, but in other allied capitals.
▶ 1:04:24A perception that the United States was willing to change its policy, um, even if it had not made a deliberate concessions, even if these were simply, um, misinterpretations, uh, or re-litigations by the CCP could substantially damage American credibility in allied capitals around the world. Uh, what would be the key signals that we would be looking for?
▶ 1:04:47Uh, we would be looking for, I think, most likely statements from uh, the Chinese government through Chinese official media or other sources after a meeting that there had been some kind of change, some kind of concession or some kind of understanding um, reached between the United States and Um, the Chinese government might try to represent that there was some sort of so-called G2 arrangement, a great power condominium.
▶ 1:05:15This is a phrase that our allies around the world really fear because it implies that the United States and China are making arrangements without other allies present that may fundamentally affect their fates. Um, and that type of verbiage, uh, would would lead to the erosion of credibility that I discussed here. Um, and finally, what is the best possible outcome?
▶ 1:05:36The best possible outcome is a continuation of the status quo with intense focus by this committee and this Congress to increasing its support for Taiwan in the months and years ahead.
▶ 1:05:49A reaffirmation of the policy that Congress has helped to keep steady since 1979, an understanding in Beijing and around the world that that policy has not changed and a continued commitment by this committee and by the Congress as a whole to continuing to support Taiwan's security by way of arms sales, other defense activities like all of those activities that were enumerated from the Yes, support for important measures like the Porcupine Act.
▶ 1:06:16Um, and as we've suggested in all of our testimony, a redoubled focus on what the United States can better do to support Taiwan in the face of the PRC's growing gray zone coercion. Um, so what I would like to see and I think what I we would all like to see is Congress being able to keep us on this track that you
▶ 1:06:34Mr. Chair, hopefully we can work on some kind of resolution to really affirm our our position. Thank you for that answer. Not sure if I can get an answer to this, but I did want to mention the fact or ask the question, if we are actually prepared for the kind of hybrid campaign or war without harm that China is already conducting. As Ms. Kam noted, China doesn't differentiate between peacetime or wartime. They're in a constant state of focusing on reunification. And I feel like we're playing checkers and they're 3D chessing us because our approach to Taiwan is a kinetic war situation, defense spend.
▶ 1:07:05China's leveraging Taiwan and our other allies economically based upon the tariffs that we have now imposed upon them. We're losing the disinformation war, I feel like, with China because we're literally feeding them the words from our leaders. As was noted here, the downgrading of the Indo-Pacific in the NDS, the not mentioning Taiwan or the TRA, this is feeding into that disinformation campaign that they launched. And China is now gaining influence and power on the global stage because we've abdicated our role and removed ourselves from 65 international organizations.
▶ 1:07:35And that's going to allow them to shape the narrative around Taiwan. It's going to literally manipulate international law and international institutions, um, to further isolate Taiwan. So, given that we're still just focused on the kinetic war, what is the one or two other areas that we absolutely have to be refocused on to win this hybrid war with China that's already ongoing? There's a lot of talk about, um, deterrence but and and also resilience.
▶ 1:08:06But we don't really, you know, it's it's a term that's thrown around a lot. But there are actually a lot of ways where the United States can work with Taiwan, cooperate on both deterrence as well as resilience. As Ukraine has shown, it cannot simply be a military defense. It must be a whole-of-society defense with resilience. And there's a lot of things that, um, Taiwan as well as the United States can learn from from Ukraine. Ukraine offers a lesson.
▶ 1:08:31And I would just point out that Ukraine is its defense industry. If Ukraine can do it, why can't Taiwan? And there are lots of ways where the United States can help in terms of innovation industry for Taiwan's defense industry.
▶ 1:08:47The second thing that we can, um, also impart is, as we have also learned, very clearly as an example, so that is not just abstract, is the importance of leadership, the importance of leadership with, um, President Zelenskyy in Taiwan and in the Ukraine. And so that's another way that we can express and cooperate with Taiwan in terms of continuity of government, continuity of operations, command and control in times of not only war, but also in times of crises.
▶ 1:09:16And those crises will happen. So, I would just urge, as we see here in the in the US Congress, that in the State of the Union, every leader, every official in three branches the government is here in the Congress except for one. There's always one secretary who's kept away. And I would also urge this attention to decapitation, the threat of decapitation in Taiwan. And that in Taiwan, the president and the vice president should never appear in the same place.
▶ 1:09:47And that's another area we can work with them on. Thank you. Thank you, Representative Bilirakis. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, it's working. Thank you. Thanks for holding this hearing. Dr. Rapp-Hooper, in your testimony, you briefly discussed Beijing's economic coercion against Taiwan and some of the Taiwan faces from that threat.
▶ 1:10:16In my district, uh there's a vibrant presence of the Taiwanese Chamber of Commerce for North America. I represent the Tampa Bay area, which I feel can be a vital tool for creating alternative trade opportunities for Taiwan. What are ways that we can reinforce such relationships at the federal level uh and at the state level?
▶ 1:10:45That's a great question. Um thank you so much, Congressman. Uh I would want to give a little bit more thought uh to the specifics of what your district is doing and will educate myself on that um and share some more information with your staff. Um but on the question of the economic relationship with Taiwan, um you know, this committee in Congress as a whole has previously been very focused on the fact that the PRC has demonstrated um both the capability and a will to use economic coercion against Taiwan um both uh in times
▶ 1:11:15of relative crisis um and to put political pressure on it around major events like elections. I would suggest um that another important agenda item for this committee is to think about how the PRC is likely to use economic coercion headed into Taiwan's 2028 election. In particular, to start thinking in advance about what we can do to help Taiwan build resilience in those product and trade areas where we've seen the PRC place pressure on it in the past.
▶ 1:11:41Um this means um in key parts of the agricultural sector, in its fish sector, and in its construction sector, where we have previously seen trade sanctions from the PRC. Um so, by taking advanced action and thinking through uh how we can build resilience by matching Taiwan's products to other markets, this committee could take on a key leadership role in helping to ensure that future PRC coercion does not negatively impact Thank you, uh again for Dr. Rapp-Hooper. Appreciate.
▶ 1:12:09I also serve as co-chair of the Congressional Hellenic Israel Alliance. And a a big uh initiative we've been pushing is formalizing the concept of the IMEC uh corridor, an economic route going from India the Middle East to Europe.
▶ 1:12:29What are the obstacles for Taiwan's involvement in emerging regional trade opportunities such as IMEC uh that seek to isolate or counter China's One Belt, One Road initiative? And how can Congress help Taiwan's involvement in this and other new trade initiatives? Dr. Rapp-Hooper, Congressman Yes, for you, please. Thank you so much.
▶ 1:12:56Um I would uh point to uh my colleague uh Professor Koo's comments in his opening remarks about Congress's continued support of Taiwan's international space. Um obviously, uh there are trade agreements uh that are difficult uh for Taiwan to participate in, but we also have um organizations in which uh Taiwan is a party uh by way of its status as an economy uh such as APEC.
▶ 1:13:22Uh so, I would suggest that looking for additional multilateral configurations um where we can organize ourselves by economies uh would be a way to expand the aperture for including Taiwan in important initiatives on a go-forward basis. Very good. Uh next question for uh Mr. Koo.
▶ 1:13:38We know that China uses economic and political leverage, particularly on small countries, to extract their support in international organizations to support China's political campaign of isolation against the independent Taiwan.
▶ 1:13:55Uh besides the United States and its allies trying to encourage these international organizations directly, what are efforts uh the United States can do to better combat China's influence more at the root level? So, it's supposed to be for Question for you, yeah. The what level? The at the root level, you mean?
▶ 1:14:17Yes. Yes. So, I guess uh I'll just reiterate what I was saying. I think part of the problem is that the US government is gigantic, but not sometimes not focused, right? So, I think if we had uh focus within our system that uh international organizations really do matter, that we are are currently engaged in a push at the UN and other national institutions to reform the UN.
▶ 1:14:39And part of the way we should reform the UN is demand accountability for these kinds of bureaucratic norms that end up sort of This is not even of small states pushing it. It's just like someone in the bureaucracy made the decision and no one paid attention, and all of a sudden Taiwan's a province. I think this type of thing where if we had more attention, we had someone in the US government who's calling it out and paying attention to this in the State Department would push back. We could make a real difference in many international institutions if we just paid more attention. Very good. Thank you. I yield back, Mr.
▶ 1:15:11Thank you, Representative Castor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for calling this hearing. Thank you to our witnesses for sharing your expertise on the CCP's incessant threats and coercion to Taiwan, but to uh the US and freedom-loving people uh everywhere.
▶ 1:15:29Uh it is very important that this committee and all of us continue to shine a light uh on the CCP's strategy, that their strategy is not just military, it's also economic, uh it's cyber, it's lawfare.
▶ 1:15:45And I think this committee and uh the past administrations have done a good job rallying uh support across the globe from our allies and partners in the in the in the Indo-Pacom area of concern, but but all of the allies uh when it came to economic pushback on how China cheats and steals.
▶ 1:16:11And that's why I am so concerned right now that the Trump administration has lost that focus, that they uh people now look at the US and say, "Oh, they're taking a much weaker stance to counter the CCP." Uh everything the president does is transactional, it's unpredictable, and what that translates into is a lot of uncertainty for Taiwan.
▶ 1:16:40Uh at a terrible time. The president's undermining our partnerships, our allies. Uh it wasn't that long ago that we were all working in cooperation with Japan, with Australia, with India, with uh the EU, and others to counter what China is doing, and I just think as you said, uh Ms. Kahn, it's giving leverage to Xi Jinping. For example, uh Dr.
▶ 1:17:09Rapp-Hooper, uh Hooper, take for instance Japanese Prime Minister Sanae Takaichi's recent sentiment that a Chinese attack on Taiwan may also serve as a threat to Japan. In response, uh President Trump told her to stop provoking China. What kind of signal does that send to an ally like Japan? Congresswoman, thank you for your question.
▶ 1:17:36Um and needless to say, I strongly agree uh with the importance of allies both in the Indo-Pacific and in Europe in sending clear and consistent signals about our mutual support for Um what our Japanese friends uh have faced in the last several months has been very distressing, and I thank you for calling attention to it.
▶ 1:17:57Uh when Prime Minister Takaichi made her comments before the Japanese Diet in November, she was articulating a position that was consistent with that of past prime ministers, but was nonetheless a little bit more frank and candid um than what others had been willing to say in the past. And as I mentioned in my testimony, I believe that this was a sign of strength, strength of the US-Japan alliance, uh that she felt comfortable enough to say that um in front of the Diet because Japan really has stepped up in considerable ways on issues related to Taiwan in recent years.
▶ 1:18:28In the last few months, Japan has become subject to tourism bans, uh student travel bans, uh various forms of economic coercion, including potentially critical minerals uh bans, and is watching closely to see if uh the PRC will escalate further.
▶ 1:18:45Um to her credit, Prime Minister Takaichi has stood resolved in the face of this ongoing coercion from the PRC, and one only need look at her uh recent election returns uh to know uh that she's never been more popular, in part as a result of what the PRC has done.
▶ 1:19:00But there is no question that in a moment like this, whether it's Japan or any other ally, the United States must stand beside an ally that is blatantly being coerced by the United Excuse me, blatantly being coerced by the People's Republic of China, reaffirm the United States' unwavering commitment in the alliance, and use measures uh not only through our treaties, but mechanisms like the G7 to provide support for Japan, particularly if the PRC's coercion continues to be ongoing.
▶ 1:19:26Congress can play an important role, perhaps inviting Prime Minister Takeichi when she visits the United States in March to see President Trump in reaffirming not only our alliance commitments, but our support to Japanese economic vitality in the face of PRC coercive threats. Thanks. And the other side of the coin, what signal did that send to Xi Jinping?
▶ 1:19:49I believe that Xi Jinping was seeking to drive a wedge into the US-Japan alliance through his coercion of Prime Minister Takeichi on the question of Japan. He was seeking to demonstrate that he could pry us apart, the United States and Japan on this question.
▶ 1:20:05And clearly the when Trump says stop China, that that would embolden Xi I can't speak to the nature of a private phone call between two leaders, which I imagine is is what the reference is, but indeed it is incredibly important for the United States to reaffirm its support for Japan. Thank you. Thank you. I yield back my time. Thank you, Representative Nunn.
▶ 1:20:37Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. I'm impressed that today's hearing is called lies, lawfare, and leverage, how the CCP is gaslighting and manipulating a marginalized Taiwan. And after the opening conversation today, I think it's been more of focus on the US commitment to Taiwan than talking about the greatest threat Taiwan faces. So, I'd like to ask each member of the panel, starting with you, Mr.
▶ 1:21:02Koo, who would you see today as Taiwan's greatest allied nation, and who would you see as Taiwan's greatest national threat? Well, obviously, the the most important ally for the for Taiwan is the United States, and I think it will always be foreseeable future.
▶ 1:21:20you see as the most adversarial to Taiwan's independence? Right. And the People's Republic of China is the greatest threat.
▶ 1:21:25Miss Khan. The United States is the strongest partner of of Taiwan. In fact, just last year, Taiwan exported more to the United States than China for the first time in 26 years. That's moving in the right direction. Who would you see as their greatest adversary? Taiwan needs to be clear that Taiwan only has one adversary, and that is China. I would agree.
▶ 1:21:55Taiwan's single threat and adversary is the People's Republic of China, and Taiwan's most important partner is the United States, and we're all grateful to Congress's commitment to keep it that way. I concur. Congress helped forge this alliance, and it is an alliance that Congress must help continue to move forward on behalf of not just two great countries, but on behalf of a shared history of both the American and Taiwanese people. When the CCP has the ability to challenge Taiwan, it's not just in the kinetic space, it's in the non-kinetic space.
▶ 1:22:25When I served in the US Air Force and flew operations and took action here, we saw directly what the Chinese were capable of, and it wasn't just what they could fly against us, it's how they operated from everything from the internet to communications. In one such event, we ran a counter-information operation against the Chinese, where the Chinese specifically targeted Taiwanese pineapple growers. They did it on the verge of an election.
▶ 1:22:49The entire intent was to ag producers in Taiwan in the lead-up to prefecture elections, and they sanctioned those same growers, and as a result, guess what happened? Local elected leaders found themselves only winning if they were in support of mainland China. This is a threat that means China has the capability right now to take Taiwan without even a shot being fired.
▶ 1:23:18Doctor Rapp-Hooper, you talked about the economic side of this. Is the Taiwanese pineapple farmer a anomaly or a reality? Congressman, thanks for that question. I think what you're pointing to is something very significant indeed, and that is the PRC's ability not only to use economic coercion against Taiwan, but to use it on a targeted basis.
▶ 1:23:41In several election rounds running, we've seen the PRC target districts that were DPP strongholds, as you're indicating, with the intent of throwing support to the KMT. That's not only economic coercion, it's election interference, right? So, we should help Taiwan to fashion strategies against that. And in part because Taiwan is extremely dependent on its agricultural exports, I fear that that threat to Taiwan is a reality. Absolutely agree.
▶ 1:24:09One factual basis on which I will state a small quibble, and that is the fact that the PRC has the ability to take Taiwan right now without firing a shot. I actually think that what we see is public opinion on Taiwan that has been remarkably resilient, that understands the Chinese threat against Taiwan and against Taiwan's economy, that does not wish to submit to the PRC, that wants the United States to remain a strong and enduring partner, and that wants more partnerships to help support it as well.
▶ 1:24:39So, I think our mandate is to support the resolve the Taiwan people as well as our partners in Taiwan.
▶ 1:24:46with the time I have remaining, I would agree with you on this. I want to keep it in that boat. That's one of the reasons that we've led on specifically my bill, HR 4860, the US-Taiwan defense innovation effort, so that we don't have to engage in a kinetic war, we can do this on the tech level to prevent it from even getting to that point. This bill would drive forward coordination on artificial intelligence, ISR technologies, and counter-CCP malign influence.
▶ 1:25:09It also builds on an amendment that we already had passed, my leadership on the NDAA, to get a forward operating base for the Defense Innovation Unit, one of America's premier commercial sector private partner and defense sectors to be led. Last year, we worked in a bipartisan way to increase DIU's funding to nearly a billion dollars, a and let me make sure my quote here is correct, a 563% increase, providing frontline assistance Miss Khan, I know you worked in this area as well.
▶ 1:25:38With my few seconds remaining here, would this help with shared technology as we lead a bipartisan delegation to Taiwan this The talk about defense innovation is critical, and it's critical for the United States with leadership such as yours to show Taiwan that the fast-changing technology in the world today is what Taiwan's opposition parties cannot ignore. That's why they need to support the increase in defense spending because there are military-industrial collaborations.
▶ 1:26:08Thank you very much. I yield my time. Thank you, Representative Stanton. Thank you very much, Chairman. Representative Nunn, sounds like a good bill. Look forward to looking into that one. Thank you to our chair and ranking member for holding this important hearing. Thank you for the witnesses for being here today. Taiwan security is directly tied to stability in the broader Indo-Pacific and our own national security. Taiwan's importance to US strategic interests is partly a matter of geography.
▶ 1:26:33Taiwan is at the center of a network of critical waterways and US partners, and as the administration's national defense strategy makes clear, maintaining a denial defense along the first island chain is essential.
▶ 1:26:48Taiwan plays a vital role in that defense, and as the chairman has pointed out in his Taiwan's important importance is also Produces approximately 60% of the world's semiconductor and manufactures some of the most cutting-edge chips for everyday consumer devices and high-tech defense systems. Taiwan has brought these capabilities to the United States, supported by incentives from the bipartisan CHIPS and Science Act.
▶ 1:27:16TSMC, the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, has pledged to invest well over 165 billion in my home state of Arizona, the largest single foreign direct investment in US history. They have already broken ground on three fabrication facilities poised to produce some of the most advanced chips in the world, chips that will drive century-defining technologies like artificial intelligence and help ensure that American defense systems remain the most advanced on planet Earth.
▶ 1:27:44The strong economic ties between our two nations have been a boon to Arizona's economy and to American national security, but preserving those ties requires a sound foreign policy. The Chinese Communist Party has shown a growing willingness to use economic coercion, tactics like targeted tariffs, boycotts of Taiwanese goods, and tax investigations into Taiwanese companies to isolate Taiwan internationally. And the PRC's goals are global.
▶ 1:28:11Chairman Meuser and I led a congressional delegation to Latin America earlier this year, including to Guatemala, one of Taiwan's remaining diplomatic partners in the region. Guatemala has faced significant CCP economic coercion, including a ban on agricultural imports following a call between the Guatemalan and Taiwanese presidents. Strengthening American economic ties with Taiwan and helping Taiwan diversify its economic relationships in Asia, Latin America, and around the world is one of the most effective tools we have to counter this coercion.
▶ 1:28:40Doctor Rapp-Hooper, how exposed is Taiwan to PRC economic coercion, and to what extent are Taiwan, the United States, and US allies prepared for any escalation of PRC coercion scenarios? Thank you very much, Congressman. Taiwan is extremely exposed to threats of economic coercion, as as you indicate, threats of diplomatic coercion, that is ongoing threats to try to pick off Taiwan's remaining allies, and these two things often go together.
▶ 1:29:10The PRC will often try to turn Taiwan's diplomatic allies through threats of economic coercion or threats of economic inducement. Um and we've seen that both in Latin America and in the Pacific Islands uh playing out in a very systematic way.
▶ 1:29:25Uh while I think it is uh extremely fair to assume, as I've written in my testimony, that Taiwan will face continued uh campaigns that include economic coercion in particular during its election cycles, we are not nearly as prepared as we could be or should be to help Taiwan weather that coercion. Um I'll say both as an academic and as a uh former public servant, uh that is very hard to develop counter-economic coercion strategies in advance.
▶ 1:29:53Uh but nonetheless, one thing we can do more of and better uh is something that I indicated in response uh to an earlier question from Congressman Nunn. And that is to identify the key sectors in which Taiwan is likely to be targeted in future PRC economic coercion campaigns. I've named a few of them, um including its fishery sector, uh agricultural sector, and construction supplies. Um and do the work now to find the markets that could absorb Taiwan's products if and when that PRC pressure does come.
▶ 1:30:22I think it's very fair to assume we may see some of it in the 2026 local election cycle, um and a fair bet that we'll see a whole lot of it in the 2028 election cycle in Taiwan. So, preparation now is key.
▶ 1:30:34Thank you so much. If we're serious about deterring conflict, as you noted, we need to be serious about countering coercion. That brings me to a broader point. I've been encouraged by the recent US support for Taiwan's defense, including the recent 11.1 billion arms package, but we need to recognize that deterrence is not just about a weapon system. It's also about clarity, consistency, and credibility in American policy towards Taiwan. The PRC is watching every signal we send.
▶ 1:30:58That's why I was disappointed that in a recent interview, President Trump suggested that Taiwan's status is ultimately up to Xi Jinping and brushed off China's growing gray zone activities, saying Beijing has conducted naval exercises in the region for many years.
▶ 1:31:10That kind of ambiguity can be very Uh the President Trump's recent foreign policy actions in Latin America have fueled speculation about the emergence of a world structured around spheres of influence, one of which the United States would seek to assert predominance in the Western Hemisphere while leaving the PRC to consolidate power in East Uh and so, the question for Dr. Rapp-Hooper, last one, is how do you believe Xi Jinping is interpreting the President's recent quote spheres of influence framing and the so-called Don doctrine?
▶ 1:31:40How does that impact Taiwan? I can't speak to Xi Jinping's personal interpretation. Uh I can say uh that, as you're indicating, Congressman, it is incredibly important uh that no one in the Chinese government or anyone around the world interpret the United States as in any way drawing down or making compromises to our position in Asia.
▶ 1:32:01Um it is perfectly possible for us to place a strong emphasis on security and stability in the Western Hemisphere while maintaining and indeed increasing our commitments within the first island chain, as you have indicated that we need to do. The NDAA um is indeed a step in the right direction on many of these fronts, but frankly, when allies, whether in Taiwan or in other capitals, uh look at the next few years, they don't just want to see stability in our commitments, in our force posture, in our force structure. They want to see increases.
▶ 1:32:29And for us to be able to meet and match the challenges posed by the PRC, we need to keep ourselves on that steady upward trajectory. So, what I would suggest is necessary to disabuse uh whatever interpretation Xi Jinping might have, uh is a clear set of signals from Congress and the administration that that steady upward trajectory not only is continuing, but cannot be interrupted by negotiations with the PRC. Thank you. Representative Moran. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thanks to the witnesses.
▶ 1:32:58I think it is clear that Beijing's objective is is uh certain, and that is to coerce Taiwan into submission uh one way or the other, maybe with or without firing a shot. I wouldn't put anything past them, and I think we've got to be very careful there.
▶ 1:33:13I do think that uh to help accomplish this goal, uh China and the CCP employs, no no doubt, we've talked about it today, a wide spectrum of non-military tools, economic economic retaliation against trading partners, coordinated propaganda and disinformation campaigns, diplomatic pressure, targeted coercion of multinational corporations, a lot of things that you guys have talked about Uh when Taiwan refuses to conform to its demands. It's really unfortunate, and we've got to take note of it.
▶ 1:33:42These actions that are not isolated and since they're part of what I believe is an intentional strategy designed to reshape the international environment, weaken democratic resilience, and normalize intimidation as their negotiating tactic. I want to come to you, Ms. Kahn, first, cuz as we hold these hearings and pursue legislation in Congress, some of our constituents may be skeptical about whether China is really a threat, and whether they are uh rivaling the power of the United States globally and in particular in the Indo-Pacific region.
▶ 1:34:12So, can you weigh in on whether or not your you have an opinion on whether or not China's non-military coercion strategy is working? Give some examples about where it is working, cuz I think it is working uh unfortunately in that in that region. And then, can you provide the the some additional background to the committee on how this strategy has been evolving and how it's been refined to uh by the CCP to be effective in Taiwan.
▶ 1:34:37Well, for one thing, um China has been able to switch the diplomatic recognitions of some countries away from Taiwan, which is formally called the Republic of China. And so, today, um Taiwan, which is the Republic of China, formally has 12 countries that recognize it diplomatically, and three of which are in the Pacific Islands, which we have a lot of concern about in this theater.
▶ 1:35:03And so, it's important for the United States to work with Taiwan, and for Taiwan to step up, frankly, along with Japan other countries have, to put more investments in the Pacific Island countries. That's one area. The second area is concerning um you know, the the perception that uh well, if you don't work with us, then, you know, you're not going to have a partner, and that there will be more. But that's a fallacy.
▶ 1:35:31It's a fallacy because of the of the coercion that you just mentioned. It's really part of a continuum of threats. There isn't a clear gap between well, this is now, you know, comforting peacetime, and then we might move into this wartime. No, it's one continuum of threats. So, people in Taiwan need to understand that they're not in a comforting time of so-called peacetime right now. There is no such thing. It's a continuum of threats.
▶ 1:35:56Yeah, and I think we need to look uh even beyond the Indo-Pacific region about the the influence you're talking about how some of the diplomatic views of Taiwan have shifted over the years because of the pressure. You can look in the Western Hemisphere, and over the past decade, a number of countries have flipped their position on Taiwan because of the Belt and Road Initiative and what the what pressure China's putting on even countries in the Western Hemisphere uh to take their diplomatic positions.
▶ 1:36:21One of the greatest strengths of the United States is our economic diversity and our ability to recover economically even if certain industries are encountering difficulties. One of the reasons for this is because our country has resilience just because of the sheer uh and the diversity in our economy. Taiwan doesn't have that size, and so, they're a little bit more vulnerable, less resilient. I want to come back to you, Dr. Rapp-Hooper, because you mentioned this earlier, and so, you mentioned specifically ag and fishing construction, I think is what I heard you say.
▶ 1:36:51How can we specifically help Taiwan build resiliency economically in those areas and others? Thank you. As noted, the best way to help Taiwan build economic resilience is to help Taiwan identify ahead of time, ahead of any PRC coercion, alternative markets for its products.
▶ 1:37:14Um so, we have seen um instances in the past where the PRC puts a great deal of economic coercion both on Taiwan and on other partners, and the way that a partner generally withstands PRC pressure is to find alternative markets for its products. We can think about our ally Australia, um that put up with a great deal of PRC economic coercion over the course of years. Um and that diversification process uh was what allowed it to come through.
▶ 1:37:40Because Taiwan is geographically smaller, um and is smaller as an economy, as you say, doing that work ahead of time, identifying potential markets for some of these products, will be what can provide a little bit more resilience ahead of time. And I would note um that in particular, we should be looking at European countries that have significantly stepped up their interest and stake in Taiwan issues in recent years as potential destinations. Yeah, it's exactly what we need to be doing. It's a long-term project. It's not short-term.
▶ 1:38:07It takes dedicated um policies to do that over a number of years, but we absolutely have to do that. What we also have to do is continue to stand with Taiwan, critical partner to us. This issue is not just about the Indo-Pacific region. It's not just about Taiwan. It's about the US national security. It's about stability, security, prosperity in the Indo-Pacific region and around the world, and it's about are we going to be a force on this world stage for good, or are we going to allow somebody like the CCP to dominate?
▶ 1:38:37There is only one choice that is sufficient in my mind, and that is the United States has to be the big dog on the block to support our friends and allies like Taiwan around the world. Thank you. I yield back. Thank you. Uh well, I want to thank our witnesses uh today for your testimony and your insights uh that you shared with us. just want to say that questions for the record are due 1 week from today, and uh with that, we are adjourned.
▶ 1:39:07All right, Dr. Rapp-Hooper, thank you. We're going to bring down Thank you. Great job.