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▶ 0:19:16I call the committee on transportation and infrastructure to order pursuant to committee rule 6F, house rule 11, Clause 2 HF. The chairman may postpone further proceedings today on any question of approving any measure or matter or adopting an amendment in which a recorded vote of the yays and nays is ordered. I'd ask unanimous consent the chairman be authorized to declare recess at any time during today's meeting without objection. That is so ordered. All bill and amendment texts have been distributed electronically and paper copies are available here in the hearing room.
▶ 0:19:44As a reminder, the committee may use an electronic voting system for any requested uh recorded votes. Today the committee is considering an amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 the airspace Location and Enhancement Risk Transparency or Alert Act of 2026 and I'd ask unanimous consent for the committee to use an amendments roster for any items under consideration by the committee. Without objection, that is so ordered. Finally, I'd like to take a moment to welcome Representative uh Nalam back to the TNI committee.
▶ 0:20:13Yesterday, Rudy was added to our committee via House Resolution 1135. And uh we're glad to have him back with us. All right. Our only item for consideration is HR 7613, the alert act. I'd ask unanimous consent to discharge the subcommittee on aviation from any further consideration of HR7613. Without objection, that is so ordered. I now call up the bill for consideration. Without objection, the first reading of the bill is dispensed with and the bill is now considered as read and open for amendment at any point.
▶ 0:20:44I now recognize myself to offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Clerk, please designate.
▶ 0:20:50An amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 offered by Chairman Graves.
▶ 0:20:54Without objection, the amendment in the nature of a substitute shall be considered as read and shall be considered as a base text for the purpose of further amendment. I now recognize myself for five minutes. On January 29th, 2025, tragedy struck when an Army Blackhawk helicopter and American Airlines flight 5342 collided with Wildflight 5342 was on final approach to Ronald Reagan uh National Airport, just a few miles obviously from where we are right now.
▶ 0:21:22The collision claimed 67 souls, all passengers and flight crews on both aircraft. This tragedy proved to be the deadliest aviation accident in the United States in decades and exposed the need for reform in a multiple or a multitude of areas. Accidents of this magnitude deserve very careful and deliberate and thoughtful debate.
▶ 0:21:44Any aviation tragedy is always complicated with multiple contributing factors and that is why it is important for us to understand all of the facts before we legislate. Following an accident, the National Transportation Safety Board is one of the first on the ground and are uniquely equipped to collect and analyze all data before offering their recommendations to prevent further tragedies.
▶ 0:22:06This is why the Transportation Infrastructure Committee waited until the NTSB concluded its investigation and issued its final report before taking legislative action. Lawmakers must have all the facts before crafting meaningful policy and risk uh or we risk failing to address the multi-layered uh causes of accidents in a comprehensive and consensus driven uh manner.
▶ 0:22:31Following the release of the NTSB's final report on Jan or on February 17th, I joined TNI ranking member Rick Larson and the Arvin services uh committee uh chairman Mike Rogers and armed services ranking member Adam Smith to introduce the alert act. The bipartisan alert act is a comprehensive package that addresses the probable cause contributing factors from response to all 50 safety recommendations that were issued by the NTSB.
▶ 0:23:00At a higher level, the Alert Act takes important steps to improve safety throughout a nation's airspace by ensuring the utilization of technology to enhance flight crews traffic awareness with visual and and alerting, making updates to separation requirements in helicopter route design. The NTSB uh identified root identified root cause of last year's tragedy.
▶ 0:23:25enhancing air traffic controller situation awareness and training, requiring updates to air traffic control processes and procedures, addressing shortcomings in the safety culture that contributed to the collision with an independent audit the FAA's air traffic organization by the inspector general.
▶ 0:23:42increasing data collection and sharing within and between the FAA and the Pentagon to identify risk before tragedy occurs, requiring the FAA to establish and objectively define close proximity events and begin collecting and analyzing the data.
▶ 0:23:58This is especially relevant with continuing reports of near misses which are current which is currently a subjective determination left to the discretion of flight crews to report and further by working with the armed services committee strengthening safety standards for military aircraft by enhancing cooperation between the military and the Before and after introducing the Alert Act on February 20th, we have worked diligently with the NTSB to refine and improve the legislation before us
▶ 0:24:28today. Before closing, I would like to take a moment to thank the family members um both of who uh both of those who have traveled here to Washington DC to join us and those who are obviously not able to uh attend. While I wish we had met under different circumstances, I want to thank each of you for your advocacy and commitment to aviation safety.
▶ 0:24:52I can't even begin to understand uh what uh what a family goes through in a uh in losing somebody like this so needlessly. Um I can't even begin to to try to comprehend that.
▶ 0:25:10In short order, the members of the committee will have the opportunity to join together in support of a bipartisan and comprehensive package of improvements with 86 co-sponsors that advance aviation safety across the board. Passing the Alert Act is just one way this committee is seeking to improve aviation safety. And I'd be remiss if I didn't highlight the funding for air traffic controllers is another crucial component to safe skies.
▶ 0:25:35T and I acted last December to pass legislation to ensure stable funding for our controllers and I will continue to advocate for that. Now I recognize uh Rick for a statement on the bill. Thank you chair uh for holding this markup and the legislation before us today.
▶ 0:25:51The Airspace Location and Enhanced Risk Transparency Act is the comprehensive response to the National Transportation Safety Board's thorough investigation into this tragic midair collision near National Airport in January of last year. I want to thank Cher Homundee, uh, the NTSB investigators and staff for their diligent work to uncover the cause and contributing factors of this tragedy as well as their input um, as our committee developed and refined this legislation.
▶ 0:26:21And to the families and the loved ones of those lost in this tragedy, you have my deepest condolences. what we've gone through is unimaginable and you have my sincere gratitude for your continued advocacy. Your efforts to affect change and improve aviation safety have made this bill better.
▶ 0:26:39And as this process moves forward, I hope we can continue to have productive conversations to advance a comprehensive safety package to the Now, the alert I want to talk a little bit about the process. Uh the alert act is the is the comprehensive bipartisan house response to address all 50 NTSB recommendations.
▶ 0:27:02The alert act was a bipartisan from its inception and emerged from goodfaith collaboration between the transportation and infrastructure committee our committee as well as the committee committee on armed services. The DCA midair tragedy involved both the FAA and the and the DoD, Department of Defense, and the solution to prevent future accidents must involve both of its of the committees.
▶ 0:27:26So this morning, our committee is marking up uh title one, which contains provisions squarely in our jurisdiction. These provisions direct the DOT and FA to take action, and as a result, we won't be considering any amendments outside of our jurisdiction. The House Armed Services Committee is holding its own markup uh this morning uh on title two and title two contains provisions squarely in HSK's jurisdiction. These provisions direct the DoD and the army to act on NTSB recommendations.
▶ 0:27:57As a result, HA has not considering any amendments that are under our jurisdiction. And I want to make that point. There were some questions from members about what our work if we do our work will um has get their hands on it and that isn't the case. As the process moves forward the TNI title and the HS title will will merge at the rules committee before before going to the house floor.
▶ 0:28:20Now the ANS uh to the alert act that we're marking up uh today is something I like to call alert act version 7.0. that it looks very different from the legislation that we introduced in February, which you could call Alert Act 1.0. So, it isn't just the next version. This is a vastly different bill than the uh one originally introduced.
▶ 0:28:42Over the last month, we've incorporated feedback from key aviation stakeholders to get the bill to a place where it truly implements all of NTSB's recommendations. And through our work with the NTSB and others, the ANS uh to the Alert Act is truly comprehensive.
▶ 0:28:57The ANS2 alert contains a sense of Congress and 26 provisions requiring the FA and DOT to act on safety recommendations issued in the NTSB's final report, including requiring ADSB in and collision prevention technology on virtually all aircraft, enhancing air traffic control or ATC training uh and traffic management procedures, modernizing facilities and technology, addressing deficiencies in the DOT and FA's safety culture, and strengthening the safety of the National Airspace System in DCA.
▶ 0:29:26Now, most of the outreach that we've received during the process focused on ADSBN. The important thing to know about ADSBN is that it's just one part of the collision prevention equation. While extremely useful, ADSBN has to be paired with the right system in the flight deck, the right displays, the right audible alarms, the right software to effectively give a pilot increased situational awareness. Our bill goes to great lengths not only to require ADSBM, but also to require each aircraft has collision prevention technology.
▶ 0:29:56For instance, for all mainline carriers, this means ADSB enabled AAS XA, the next generation collision avoidance system. For everyone else who's currently required to have ADSB out, this bill requires ADSB in uh ADSB in enabled collision prevention technology that also meets a strict set of minimum requirements.
▶ 0:30:16Together, these ADSB intech capabilities fed into the right collision prevention technologies provide pilots will provide pilots with an unprecedented level of situational awareness and increase the safety of the airspace across the country. We've also received a few questions about why the ANS no longer, pardon me, has an interim equipage requirement for commercial passenger planes or waiting for the AAS XA upgrade.
▶ 0:30:40After significant consultation with NTSB and others, it became apparent that the interim and sometimes conflicting requirements laid out in earlier versions of the bill could have drastically delayed the adoption of AAS XA. So, as a result, the decision was made to separate the AAS XA requirement in section 102 from the generic collision prevention technology requirement in section 104.
▶ 0:31:04Therefore, instead of getting bogged down in delays, commercial airlines will now be required to go straight to the next generation ADSBN enabled tech collision avoidance technology. So, on today's markup, it is an important step in delivering our safety commitment to the flying public. It will allow us to soon begin critical discussions with the Senate on a final legislative response to the DCA midair tragedy as well as aviation safety across the country. So, I do urge my colleagues to support the bill. And with that, I yield back.
▶ 0:31:34join. Uh, thank you, Chairman Graves. Uh, today the committee meets to consider HR 7613, the Airspace Location and Enhanced Risk Transparency Act of 26 or the Alert Act. This legislation, it's the strengthen aviation safety and reduce the risk of midair collisions in our national airspace. And before I begin, I want to highlight the strong bipartisan support behind this legislation.
▶ 0:31:58The Alert Act was introduced on a bipartisan basis by the leadership of the House Committee of Transportation Infrastructure, Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larson, Aviation Subcommittee, Ranking Member Carson, and myself as chair of the Aviation Subcommittee, as well as House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rogers, and Ranking Member Smith. And upon the introduction, the legislation quickly garnered support, 86 co-sponsors, and is supported by numerous groups within the sector of the aviation industry.
▶ 0:32:26The United States operates the safest aviation system in the world. We do. And that record is built on a foundation of rigorous investigation, careful oversight, and thoughtful policymaking. When an accident occurs, it is our responsibility as lawmakers to have the facts and ensure that appropriate safety reforms are made. Following the tragic midair collision near Ronald Reagan, Washington National Airport, the NTSB conducted a very thorough investigation and issued findings.
▶ 0:32:54the probable cause, contributing factors, and 50 safety recommendations intended to reduce the risk of similar accidents in the future. The Alert Act responds to all 50 of those recommendations. And Chairwoman Hammed, you're sitting out there. Yesterday, we had a meeting. You said, "This is really historic. This is really maybe the first time I made all 50 of those recommendations." Congress is listening. Congress is listening.
▶ 0:33:20This legislation takes a comprehensive and responsible approach to strengthening aviation safety. It directs the Federal Aviation Administration to mandate and deploy collision alerting and avoidance technologies that utilize ADSB and data. Review and redesign helicopter routes. The NTSB identified root cause of last year's crash. Improve situal awareness in complex airspace environments.
▶ 0:33:48increase transparency and data sharing so that pilots, controllers, and regulators have the information they need to identify risks, make changes, and operate safely. And an independent review of the FAA safety culture that ultimately contributed to the needless lives of 67 people. And to the families, I see you out there. To the families of Flight 5342, you're not forgotten. You will never be forgotten.
▶ 0:34:15Aviation safety legislation warrants careful deliberation. By allowing the NTSB to complete its work and issue evidence-based safety recommendations, Congress can ensure that any legislative response is informed, effective, and strengthens the safety of the national airspace. Our goal is straightforward.
▶ 0:34:36ensure that the lessons learned from this tragedy lead to real improvements that make our aviation system even safer for the flying public. I look forward to today's discussion and I urge my colleagues to support the alert act. I yield back, sir. Andre,
▶ 0:34:55thank you, Chairman. Uh thank you, Ranking Member Larson, Chairman Nails for your leadership and your partnership which have allowed our committee to mark up our bill today, the alert act. No disrespect to the other body, but the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee is one of the most thoughtful and hardworking committees in Congress. It's also one of the most bipartisan. As ranking member Larson says, we aren't a bunch of show horses. We're a committee of workh horses.
▶ 0:35:21And it's very good that we're marking up a comprehensive bill that will address and implement all of NTSB's 50 recommendations in the DCA collision report, not just a few. the terrible midair collision at DCA on January 29th last year that haunts all of us here today. I want to take a moment now to recognize the family members who are here and continue to mourn the loss of 67 people who died that day, including Ashra Hussein from Carmel, Indiana.
▶ 0:35:52You have turned your pain into power and passionate advocacy, and you have inspired us to keep working on a bill that is comprehensive and will make long overdue changes to improve safety. This bill will address all of NTSB's recommendations to fix problems that were ignored for too long. Requires ADSBN and collision prevention technology with a hard deadline. Enhances air traffic control training and procedures including time on position limits.
▶ 0:36:23Modernizes ATC facilities and technologies. Addresses deficiencies in the safety cultures at DOT, FAA, and DoD. Strengthens the traffic management and safety of the national airspace and DCA area, including assessing volume, aircraft arrival rates, and regular review of helicopter routes in the area. Mr.
▶ 0:36:44Chairman, I'm sure my colleagues will have more to say as we continue, but I also want to thank the illustrious staff, but for now, I want to urge all of our colleagues to join us in supporting this bill that we have worked very hard on to bring up tomorrow. um, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
▶ 0:37:03On January 29, 2025, the world stood in shock followed by intense sadness as we watched tragedy unfold in the collision over the Ptoic River between American Airlines Flight 5342 out of my home state of Witchah and US Army helicopter. We lost 67 souls that day and I speak for all canons when I say that this is the day that we will never ever forget. We remember our fellow canan Americans whose lives were tragically lost.
▶ 0:37:28children's, parents, farmers, professors, and colleges, college students, all with bright futures, all taken from us far too soon. I want to commend the National Transportation Safety Board for his tireless and dedicated work over the past year to produce a comprehensive investigation and recommendations. What happened on that day demands a serious and thoughtful response from Congress that incorporates the lessons we learned from their findings to strengthen aviation safety and ensure that this tragedy is never repeated.
▶ 0:37:57is essential that Congress enact solutions that address the root causes identified by the NTSB and stand the test of time. The Alert Act is the most substantive comprehension reform to aviation safety in years, and I believe that it'll directly and thoughtfully addresses the full range of safety issues, systematic failures, and vulnerabilities that were exposed by last year's strategy with the overall goal of making our national airspace safer for everyone.
▶ 0:38:24I'd like to thank Chairman Graves, Ranking Member Larson, Chairman Rogers, and Ranking Member Smith for all the collaborative work that have been done over to incorporate all 50 of the safety related recommendations issued by the NTSB throughout this legislation. Again, all 50 of their recommendations are included in this legislation. Meaningful, lasting improvements to the safety of our airspace require the full and fair consideration of Congress, working with victims, families, the aviation industry, and the administration.
▶ 0:38:53And the Alert Act does just that. We will never forget what happened on January 29th, and I'm committed to ensuring that we do everything possible to ensure that it'll never happen again. I look forward to support this legislation today, and I urge my colleagues to do the same. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Uh, Chewy's next, but he's not in here. So, we'll just move to Mike.
▶ 0:39:15Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I want to thank everybody that worked on this bill so hard. And I want everybody to know today that we fully support this, the Alert Act. Before coming to coming to Congress, I served as a sheriff of Jackson County and law enforcement. I learned quickly uh that you can't ignore the warning signs. When something goes wrong, you figure a way out to fix it and you get it done so it doesn't happen the next time. That's exactly what this bill does.
▶ 0:39:41After last year's tragic collision, the NTSB did the hard work of investigating what went wrong. The Alert Act takes their findings and translate them into real tangible improvements with one clear priority to raise the safety standards. It ensures that pilots and air traffic controllers have better tools and better awareness of what's going on around them so they can make the right decision at the right time.
▶ 0:40:06It also provides long overdue updates upgrades to collisions avoidance technology. The bill also evaluates helicopter routes especially in busy airspace like around Reagan National and puts clear common sense rules in place to keep aircraft safely separated. Just as important, it strengthens accountability.
▶ 0:40:30It improves data collection, gives better tracking of near misses, and takes a closer look at the FAA safety procedures. Given my background, I see this as basic necessary prevention. You don't wait for the next accident. You act immediately and reduce the risk. This is a strong step in the right direction and it's focused on what matters most, protecting lives. I support it. I encourage all of my colleagues to do the same and I'm so sorry for your loss and thank you Mr.
▶ 0:41:00Chairman and I yield back.
▶ 0:41:03Uh Tom,
▶ 0:41:07thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate it. And uh I want to just start by acknowledging and thanking the families of the victims that are here today. We deeply appreciate and respect the voice that you've brought to this conversation and this effort to really make sure that the same things are not happening going forward and those gaps that we observed are not happening in the future.
▶ 0:41:30Um we often say in aviation that a lot of our changes and a lot of our requirements and safety changes are written in blood and they're written in the blood of those that perished as we make these changes going forward. So, um, we we lift you up in prayer in this effort to make sure that these types of things are not happening again.
▶ 0:41:51Uh, I had the experience of flying the same type of Blackhawk helicopter that was tragically involved in this collision where 67 souls were lost in the skies over the Ptoac River just a little over a year ago right now. and uh was actually conversing with members of my unit that I retired from the night of this tragedy and in the days following to see what we could do to change that. And it continued to come back to two things, ADSB and collision avoidance technology.
▶ 0:42:22And those are two things that I'm very proud to see are included both in the TNI portion of this as well as the armed services portion of this bill to facilitate that effort to bring these forward. Uh as I've reflected on the the many different risk factors and elements that led to this, I continue to go back to a few different things.
▶ 0:42:44One of which was that the American Airlines flight had ADSB out that was operating functional and transmitting but they did not have ADSB in. The Army flight had ADSB in but they were not transmitting an ADSB out. The airline had TCAST and the helicopter did not.
▶ 0:43:03And those factors along with muddled transmissions through the radio was stepped on transmission and a misidentification of which airplane they were set to steer around and avoid an altitude that was a little bit too high. An altimter that was less precise than the crew relied on all contributed to this. And I think the steps I truly believe that the steps we're taking today are going to decrease and mitigate those risks in a significant way.
▶ 0:43:31I'm also thankful that on the armed services side, they've taken measures to hold the military accountable in ways that we need to force their hand to make significant safety improvements as well. And so I'm excited to see this bill form up on the floor as well. I also was thankful to see that the spacing and timing between air traffic coming into Washington DC will be changed and modified so that we're not overwhelming our air traffic control volume here at the exact same time.
▶ 0:43:58Uh, I do want to take thank uh, Chair Hamdy for being here and for your work on this, continuously briefing our committee and helping us make the best work product that we can out of this. And uh, I'm uh, going to continue to work on ways that we can improve aviation safety. And I'm proud that this bill makes a major step in that direction that I'm convinced will make everybody in all of our national airspace, especially in Washington DC with the congestion and unique circumstances here, but really throughout the national airspace as well. So, thank you, Mr.
▶ 0:44:27Chairman, for listening to a lot of the concerns. Thank you to Chair Hamdy. Thank you to the families for advocating. And, uh, I'm excited to get this bill over the finish line. Thank you,
▶ 0:44:44Uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chairman. Before we begin, I want to acknowledge the families who who have lost loved ones in the midair collision over the Po Ptoac River last year. Your presence here today is a solemn reminder of why we are here. We honor your loved ones and we carry their memory with us as we consider this legislation.
▶ 0:45:09The National Transportation Safety Board conducted a thorough investigation into that tragedy and they told us what failed and they told us what must be fixed. and they confirm that this bill, as amended, implements every single one of their safety recommendations. That is the level of seriousness that this moment demands. The Alert Act strengthens the systems that help pilots avoid collisions.
▶ 0:45:37It improves training for the men and women who guide aircraft safely through our skies. It updates procedures that have not kept pace with the complexity of modern aviation and it improves coordination between civilian and military aircraft so that everyone operating in our airspace is working from the same playbook. At its core, this bill is about responsibility.
▶ 0:46:04our responsibility to the flying public, to the aviation workforce, and to the families who have already endured the Our task now is to take what we've learned and build a safer system with care and with purpose, starting with this legislation. I urge my colleagues to support this bill, and with that, I yield back.
▶ 0:46:32uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah, I really want to thank and commend uh Chairman Graves, ranking member Larson for the all their hard work on this u this bill. Um, you know, over the years, uh, the National Transportation Safety Board recommended 17 times that in the SPA in the places where ADSB out has been required since 2020 of us pilots that ADSB
▶ 0:47:02in also also be required um, 17 times. And then in January 2025, Americans lost their lives in outside of Um NTSB of course issued the recommendation an 18th time.
▶ 0:47:23So, it was of course a matter of great disappointment to me as the House sponsor of the Rotary Act when um on uh February 24th uh the Rotary Act failed by one vote after already passing the Senate. Um and it was my concern when I saw an early uh early version of Alert that that really all of NTSB's recommendations were not were not being incorporated into Alert.
▶ 0:47:50But I am very very happy to say that um that that the the committee, the chairman, the ranking member have continued to work with all concern uh with director Hammedi, with the NTSB, with the families, uh with the various other stakeholders to produce a bill that does incorporate all 50 safety recommendations.
▶ 0:48:12Um this is uh this is as one of my colleagues re described a substantive compreh substantive comprehensive piece of legislation. I think it literally will save lives. And again, I I just want to thank everyone involved.
▶ 0:48:30But most of all, I want to thank the families who have turned their tragedy into something good to prevent other families from having to go through the loss, through the tra through the tragedy, through the suffering that you all have had to go through. Uh you all are in our prayers. God bless you all and Mr. Chairman again thank you for all your work on this bill.
▶ 0:49:01thank you Mr. Chair. I I think I have the most powerful seat in this committee today um because I get to look directly into the faces of the families and the pictures um of the victims of this crash that they're holding up. And I want to thank you guys for your your courage and your passion and your advocacy and turning tragedy into actual uh results here. Um I was in a hotel as a freshman member of Congress uh that night.
▶ 0:49:29I believe we was during orientation um when this incident happened and I like you and the rest of America had the same question. How in the hell can this happen? Um, and I was shocked as a member of this committee uh to learn um the that even though we sit in the most technologically advanced space that we have ever been in as a society um that we did not have that technology equipped on the aircraft involved
▶ 0:50:00in a way uh that could would have realistically avoided this uh in the first place. And so I'm thankful that we're in a place today uh to do this uh to to make changes and incorporate it. I'm looking forward to the discussion today because there are some things here that we, you know, will discuss uh today. Uh but I really want to thank the families u for what you guys have to sit through u and deal with this uh and the pain that you guys have to live with. I've lost a loved one suddenly very my father before so I know what that's like.
▶ 0:50:30Um and it is a club that nobody wants to be a part of. Um but you guys have have taken the mantle and you guys are really doing a good deed in being here. Uh, Chair Hamundi, um, you know, since I got here, we've interacted with a lot of government officials, a lot of agencies.
▶ 0:50:48Um, in a time where we are seeing a a decline in standards of professionalism and decency and communication and interaction between different aspects of You guys are professionals. You guys have been the best agency that I have had the opportunity to work with and engage since I've been here.
▶ 0:51:09Um the effort that you guys put into this investigation, the transparency and the briefings, the um the timely responsiveness that you guys have provided uh to us as a body and to the public in a reasonable and um professional standard. It does not go unnoticed by me.
▶ 0:51:26you guys are what government should be, how it should function and I thank you um sincerely for that and we look forward to incorporating a lot of what you guys have produced uh unfortunately yet again with some of the recommendations but hopefully today we can get to a space where uh we can finally get this across the finish line. Thank you and I yield back Mr. Chair call. Okay. Thank you Mr. Chairman uh and ranking member Larson.
▶ 0:51:55We really appreciate uh uh having the opportunity here to uh have this vote and get to commiscerate with these families who have lost loved ones. Um we're here today to consider HR 7613, the alert act, a bipartisan bill that takes important steps to improve safety across our nation's airspace.
▶ 0:52:19This legislation comes in response to the tragic mid-air collision near Reagan National Airport that claimed 67 lives. A sobering reminder of the importance of vigilance and accountability in our aviation sector. This bill is focused on making our aviation system safer for everyone who depends on it.
▶ 0:52:40It supports the use of modern technology, strengthens coordination within our airspace, and ensures that our safety systems keep pace with the demands of a complex and growing aviation environment. These are practical, forward-looking improvements that will help reduce risk and protect the flying public. Equally important, this legislation reflects a commitment of learning to learning from past incidents and making necessary adjustments to prevent future tragedies.
▶ 0:53:10Aviation safety must and always remain a top priority, and this bill demonstrates that Congress is taking that responsibility very seriously. As we move forward, we continue to pray and always recognize the families and the loved ones impacted by the tragedy that led us here. Our thoughts are with you always, and we remain committed to honoring their loss through our work here in this committee.
▶ 0:53:38This is a strong bipartisan effort that reinforces the safety and the reliability of our aviation system. I want to say how much I appreciate the work that has gone on to this bill, gone into this bill from our chairman and ranking member and members of this committee. And I also want to mention Miss Homdy. Uh thank you chair, madame chair for the work that you have put in on this as well to make sure this never happens again. And so with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
▶ 0:54:08Um, Chewy's not in here, so make sure we get his record in the or statement in the record. Moving forward, we now I now recognize myself to offer a manager's amendment. Clerk, please designate
▶ 0:54:27a manager's amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR7613 offered by Chairman Graves.
▶ 0:54:33Without objection, the amendment will be considered as read. I'd recognize myself uh real quick for a statement. So, the manager's amendment reflects um some member feedback and incorporates some technical improvements identified by the NTSB and other stakeholders. It strengthens the underlying bill in practical and and targeted ways. Specifically, it includes Mr.
▶ 0:54:54Taylor's amendment to ensure airlines have a seat at the table alongside pilots, air traffic controllers, and manufacturers when it comes to uh consultation requirements because safety decisions benefit from obviously every uh operational perspective. It also includes language developed with uh Miss Titus and Mr. Van Drew to make sure air traffic controllers receive clear guidance and training before any changes to visual separation policies take effect.
▶ 0:55:22We are not asking them to adapt on the fly. Obviously, in coordination with Mr. Gari, the amendment permanently closes helicopter route 4 near Washington Reagan National Airport, addressing a long-standing safety concern in one of the most complex uh airspaces in the country.
▶ 0:55:40And in response to NTSB technical assistance, it ensures that law enforcement helicopters and other public use aircraft are equipped with ADSB and collision uh prevention technology because visibility and situational awareness um simply saves lives. These are practical and consensus driven improvements uh that make the bill stronger and I'd urge my members to uh uh all members to support the manager's amendment. With that, I yield back and recognize Mr.
▶ 0:56:10Larson.
▶ 0:56:11Thank you, chair. I support the managers amendment of the ANS of HR 7613 offered by the chair. This agreement includes several bipartisan provisions, technical corrections, and revisions raised by members and key stakeholders. Notably, I'm pleased the amendment clarifies visual separation training requirements for air traffic controllers in light of the FA's recent procedure changes. This amendment led by uh representatives Titus and Vandrew. Represent Gary Mendy's amendment to permanently close helicopter route 4 near DCA is included.
▶ 0:56:41Uh this uh amendment this manager amendment also ensures the DOT inspector general uh evaluates safety management system the safety management system of the FA's new aviation safety management organization. It directs the FA to also coordinate with general and business aviation operators on its assessment of the aircraft arrival rate at DCA.
▶ 0:57:02and it adds federal contract tower operators as an entity FA should coordinate with on the development and implementation of safety risk assessment tools for air traffic controllers. All these among other changes. I want to thank the chair of the committee, Chair Graves, subcommittee chair Nells and Ranking Member Carson and the staff of the committee uh for their efforts to maintain the bipartisan nature of this bill. And I urge members to support this manager's amendment. Yield back. Uh,
▶ 0:57:34Thank you, Mr. Chair. I rise in strong support of the manager's amendment. I'm proud to have worked with the chair and my good friend, Congresswoman Titus. I thank her for her leadership and her direction on this issue. It makes a simple but critical change in the underlying bill.
▶ 0:57:51Our provision ensures that when the FAA makes any change to visual visual separation rules or procedures, air traffic controllers must receive advanced training and clear guidance before those changes can take effect. We are only as good as the training we've had. Air traffic controllers operate in one of the most complex, safety critical environments in the world. We all know this.
▶ 0:58:16We rely on them to make real time decisions that keep millions of passengers safe every single day. When we change their rules, we have an obligation to make sure they are fully prepared, fully trained, and fully understand the new rules. Last week, the FAA issued a new rule ending visual separation for helicopters in congested airport environments.
▶ 0:58:40This decision may have been implemented with safety in mind, and I know it was, but the roll out blindsided controllers with no notice, no guidance, and no plan. It's not how safety reform should happen. When controllers are forced to adapt on the fly, without training or clarity, we are not strengthening safety, we're introducing uncertainty into an already high stakes system. This amendment addresses that gap very directly.
▶ 0:59:10It's critical that we move swiftly to address these safety risks, which is why the Alert Act must be passed. I'm proud of the work our chairman, our ranking member, and in a bipartisan way, this entire committee did on this piece of legislation. It turns the lessons of a tragic and avoidable, a horrible disaster into mandatory and forcible action, closing the precise safety gaps needed to ensure this never happens again.
▶ 0:59:39Once again, I thank the chairman for including our provision in the manager's amendment because these reforms must be implemented in a way that supports the men and women responsible for keeping our skies safe, not one that leaves them scrambling to adapt in real time. I yield back.
▶ 0:59:59Uh John, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, we've been at this several months and I've been through many, many hearings, but rarely have I been through a process that was so complete and so First, I want to uh mention and follow up with my colleagues about the families that are here and those who are not. This loss, this accident didn't have to happen.
▶ 1:00:27uh NTSB, the information that you gave us, the hearings, the uh interaction, extraordinarily important. Uh Mr. Graves, you and Mr. Larson, Nells, and Carson did extraordinary work informing all of us and the general public about all of the complex issues that are found in this uh as a result of this accident. good piece of work.
▶ 1:00:57I also want to just thank you for including my amendment as we went through all of the details and listen to uh what ADSB in out uh works or doesn't work and the cost of it and other extraordinarily uh detailed uh information. Something was always nagging me and that is what was that helicopter doing there Why was the helicopter flying down the PTOAC?
▶ 1:01:27And it seemed to me that with all of the reforms that are in this bill, all of which are important, necessary, uh, and will make things safer, the elimination of that helicopter route would have prevented this accident from ever happening. And so, in this uh uh, thank you for including my amendment that Route 4 is permanently closed.
▶ 1:01:51I will soon go over to the Armed Services Committee and we'll talk about the other military routes and whether they should also be closed or at least restricted. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, for an extraordinary piece of work. Thank you.
▶ 1:02:05Thanks, uh, Dina.
▶ 1:02:09Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First of all, I too want to take a moment to acknowledge the families and loved ones of the 67 victims in the collision over the Ptoac River. their lives will never be the same and the least we can do is pass legislation to prevent a tragedy like this from ever happening again. And that's what I know we are all committed to doing.
▶ 1:02:30On February 17th, the National Transportation Safety Board released a final report outlining its investigations into the collision along with a suite of recommendations for improving the safety of the National Airspace so we could prevent future tragedies. The legislation before us today addresses all 50 of those recommendations from the NTSB. That's a pretty incredible for a piece of legislation. I thank the chairman and ranking member.
▶ 1:02:59I have full faith in the NTSB's independent investigation and I'm glad that our committee has taken this action to implement those The stakes for aviation safety are really high in my district in Las Vegas. 50 million people fly through Harry Reid International Airport just last year. Ensuring that those passengers and the crew members who visit Las Vegas are safe is a top priority of mine and that's why I wanted to serve on the aviation subcommittee.
▶ 1:03:29I'd like to talk for a minute though about an amendment that I have to this uh manager's package. It's based on uh visual separation. Uh you've heard it mentioned from Mr. Van Drew and I pleased to cooperate with him to introduce this amendment. Uh it directs the FAA to provide advanced training and guidance to air traffic controllers for any future changes to visual separation policies.
▶ 1:04:00I'm glad that it's included because as you heard him say it any kind of recommendations are great changes need to be made but they can't be made just overnight without any preparation. This policy seemed to have been rolled out overnight and it suspended the use of visual separation between helicopters and airplanes and it required our air traffic controllers to use radarbased separation where helicopter routes intercept with airport arrival and departure.
▶ 1:04:29Now this was done without any sufficient warning or training including for the air traffic controllers who were expected to immediately implement this policy on the ground. It led to disruptions at Las Vegas, uh, including for helicopter tour operators who go out to Grand Canyon and take people down the strip. I'm reviewing the change in policy and the implications for the district.
▶ 1:04:54But one thing is clear, at a minimum, our air traffic controllers should receive advanced training and guidance for any changes in policy that they'll be entrusted to implement and administer. So, I appreciate the chairman and ranking member including our amendment. I think that the air traffic controllers will certainly appreciate and benefit from this training.
▶ 1:05:16We want to be sure though that this legislation is just the first step that we have deadlines and oversight to be sure these things are implemented and uh that will keep our skies safer for the future. Thank you so much.
▶ 1:05:31Does anyone else wish to be heard on the Seeing no one, are there any amendments to the amendment? Seeing none, the question is on the amendment. All those in favor signify by saying I. All oppose signify by saying The eyes have it. The amendment is agreed to. Okay.
▶ 1:05:53Um we're going to briefly recess um because we are actually several of us that are also on this committee are on armed services and we're fixing to vote uh for passage of armed services version or their part of the bill. And so uh we will recess briefly. It should take votes are at vote is at there's only one at 11 straight up and so we should be right back after that. Committee stands in recess.
▶ 1:21:33Heat. Heat.
▶ 1:24:07Heat. Heat.
▶ 1:25:22We'll call the committee back to order. Um the armed services section of the bill uh title two uh passed unanimous. So um we'll move on with our uh markup and hopefully we'll get the same hopefully we'll get the same outcome. All right. So what purpose Mr. Carbajal seek recognition.
▶ 1:25:46Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have an amendment at the desk.
▶ 1:25:49Please designate.
▶ 1:25:50An amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 offered by Mr. Carbajal of California number 061.
▶ 1:25:58Without objection, the amendment will be considered as read. Mr. Carbajal is recognized for 5 minutes.
▶ 1:26:04Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My amendment would strike the section that would add the Pilot and Aircraft Privacy Act to this legislation. Let me be clear at the outset. I strongly support the bipartisan underlying goals of the alert act and the important the bi important bipartisan work that's been done to advance aviation safety and implement the recommendations from the national transportation safety board.
▶ 1:26:32But section 105 of the bill does not belong here. It would limit our airport's ability to manage their operations and maintain safe critical safety infrastructure. As a former county supervisor and local elected official, it concerns me when Washington tells local airports how to run their operations while not providing the funding they need. I have heard this from Ventura County and St.
▶ 1:27:01Louis Abyispo airports, both in my district. Federal law requires airports to be financially self- sustaining and airports use these fees which are expressly allowed under federal statute to fund safety critical infrastructure maintain operations and meet federal I do want to acknowledge the NTSB's concerns on the use of ADSB, but I think we should be clear
▶ 1:27:31about what is driving the concerns. ADB ADSB is a critical safety technology. It allows air traffic control and other pilots to see and avoid aircraft in real time. The idea that pilots might turn it off to avoid fees is not a reason to restrict how airports manage their operations.
▶ 1:27:57It is a signal that we need to send that we need stronger standards, oversight, and federal support to ensure that safety systems are used as they are intended. This amendment simply keeps this bill focused on what it's supposed to do, which is improving aviation safety.
▶ 1:28:20It avoids adding a provision that could make these critical safety investments costlier to local communities, delay needed investments, ultimately working against the very safety goals we are trying to achieve. I urge my colleagues to support this common sense amendment. With that, I yield back.
▶ 1:28:44Thank you, Mr. Carbajal. Um, I'll do my statement at the end. We'll go. Troy's not here. Mr. Honor. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, this amendment would eliminate section 105, removing protections of ADSB data from this bill. Uh, this would be a mistake and it would undermine aviation safety, the primary intent of the alert act.
▶ 1:29:12Section 105 is a sensible provision that ensures safety technology is used for safety, not as a way to generate revenues. I've compared this to red light camera uh companies uh coming to municipalities and saying we'll install these cameras and help you generate money and and uh we'll keep half. And I think that is the way this is likely uh to work out.
▶ 1:29:39ADSB was mandated by the FAA in 2020 to improve situal situational awareness and make airspace safe. It's one of the most important aviation safety advances in recent decades. Pilots rely on it, controllers rely on it, and Congress required it for a reason. However, we're seeing an increase in the misuse of this system. Airports and other thirdparty companies are using ADSB data to track aircraft and send bills to pilots after the fact.
▶ 1:30:10In many cases, these bills arrive weeks later without prior notice and not what the ADSB was designed for. More importantly, it creates bad incentives. When pilots realize that they could be punished for turning on a safety tool, it damages trust and confidence in the system. It discourages full participation and ultimately weakens safety. Section 105 addresses this issue directly and narrowly.
▶ 1:30:33It doesn't eliminate fees, restrictions, restrict airport operations, or interfere with a an airport's ability to use ADSB to improve safety or efficiency. And it really doesn't even interfere with their ability to collect revenue. They could use any number of technologies to to catch tail numbers from, you know, from trail wildlife trail cams to uh to ring cameras, but not a safety tool meant to save lives.
▶ 1:31:02Instead, uh section 105 simply prohibits ADSB data to be used to identify aircraft for the purpose of generating and collecting fees. Um, some airports claim that this provision will hurt their funding or their operations, but it's simply not true. Airports have collected fees and operated for decades without relying on ADSB in this way. In my own personal experience as a pilot, many of the airports I file I've flown into didn't didn't have landing fees at all.
▶ 1:31:31And those that did often waved those fees if I bought uh a gas there at the airport. Uh, federal law already requires fees be fair and reasonable. This amendment doesn't fix a problem. It creates one. It increas It is an abuse of a safety tool in a way that erodess trust. If we truly want to improve aviation safety, we should be encouraging the use of ADSB and not giving pilots a reason to avoid it. Um, this section misincentives.
▶ 1:31:59Um, I know that there has been a particular organization lobbying against section 105 of this bill very aggressively and has visited many of our offices. Uh I have I have here a list of 89 organizations that support PAPA support this section. Um and I'd be happy to share anyone this the context of this letter was to was encouraging senators Canwell and Cruz to add uh Papa to uh the Roter Act when uh the Rotary Act was over in the Senate.
▶ 1:32:28For these reasons, I urge my colleagues to oppose this amendment and keep section 105 in the bill. Thank you and I yield back.
▶ 1:32:35Miss Poe. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, first, um, I would like to begin by recognizing the families of the victims that are here today. Uh, the tragic accident that occurred that evening in January should never have happened. I cannot begin to relate to what you have gone through and know and and I certainly know that legislation that we pass here today cannot bring your loved ones back.
▶ 1:33:06But make no mistake, we will not rest until we we can in fact ensure that the problems that led to that night will never happen again. Their memories and lives will not be in vain. My condolences to you. Now, uh Mr. Chairman, um I'd like to actually thank Congressman Carbajal for offering this amendment and offer my support.
▶ 1:33:31Section 105 will cause harm to small and midsize um airports including Teterboro which is in my district. Um landing fees aren't accident incidental. They are essential and h and it's how the airports keep their lights on.
▶ 1:33:51I worry that this provision effectively creates a loophole where aircraft operators can benefit from airports safety systems without contributing their fair share. This shift this shifts the burden onto the airport and ultimately the American public.
▶ 1:34:11For Tetal Airport, it would mean reduction in ascent and critical It also means less capacity to manage the very congestion we are trying to If we want our airports to maintain safety standards, we cannot take away the tools that they rely on to function. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and I yield
▶ 1:34:39Uh, Mr. Davidson
▶ 1:34:44Thank you, Chairman. Uh, first I just want to start by recognizing all the work that's gone into the alert act. And as an original co-sponsor, I support this bill and will continue to support this bill because it is about um one thing above everything else, which is safety. It's about preventing tragedies, strengthening our systems, and making sure that pilots, passengers, and communities on the ground are protected.
▶ 1:35:12That's why I have uh some real concerns about including the provisions from HR4146 in in this particular package. Uh this amendment from my colleague uh Salude Carbajal is making a simple but important point and that this is a safety bill and we shouldn't be using it to take up um general aviation policy changes. The provision in question would allow operators to essentially turn ADSB transmission on and off.
▶ 1:35:42And that is a problem. These systems exist for a reason. They give us real-time visibility, improve situational awareness, and are foundational to how we manage safe and efficient airspace today. Weakening that even with good intentions around privacy uh and other issues introduces risk into a system where we are working really hard to reduce risk. I'll say this as well.
▶ 1:36:06I'm I am I have not been hearing uh broad support from the folks on the ground who are responsible for running safe operations. I did speak with the executive director of our Johnson County Airport Commission and uh he did not express support for his for this provision because of the real world world safety and operational concerns that it creates. If we want to have a conversation about privacy and general aviation, I'm absolutely open to that and would look forward to that conversation.
▶ 1:36:36It is absolutely a conversation worth having, but should happen on its own with the full attention that it deserves. Uh not necessarily just folded into a bill that is uh primarily focused exclusively focused on saving lives. So I would just urge my colleagues to keep this bill as focused as possible. Keep it around the safety provisions and I support uh Salude Carvajal's amendment. Thank you Mr. Chairman and I yield back.
▶ 1:37:04Uh Mr. Nelson.
▶ 1:37:05Uh thank you Mr. Chairman. I oppose this amendment. Uh safety technology should be used for safety purposes. And that's the end of the discussion. I know all of your offices have been barded by airports saying this prohib uh this provision would prohibit them from collecting landing fees. That's flatout wrong and I'm not quite sure where they get that interpretation from. Certainly not from the text before us.
▶ 1:37:29In addition to aviation organizations nationwide, including those in California, efforts to restrict the use of ADSB data for airport economic purposes are supported by airports in several states, including Illinois, Massachusetts, Florida, New Jersey, California, Ohio. And if I may take a quick moment to quote a statement from NDSB Chairwoman Hamundy during a February 12th, 2026 Senate Commerce hearing.
▶ 1:37:55quote, "ADSB is a safety tool and it should be used for safety, not as a revenue generator to charge general aviation pilots ramp fees or landing fees." End quote. I want general aviation pilots to equip their aircraft with modern safety technology. We all do. We cannot allow for airports to deter this equipage by using it in a manner that it was never intended. And I urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment. Thank you.
▶ 1:38:25I yield back. Does anyone else wish to be heard? Seeing no one, I'll recognize myself for uh for five minutes. And I want to thank uh Mr. Carbajal um for uh for working uh with us on this. But I have to oppose this amendment. I believe there's been a lot of misinformation shared about the intent of section 105.
▶ 1:38:55Put simply, this bill um the alert act would not prohibit airports from obtaining revenue in a form of landing fees. And I'm going to say that again. This bill does not prevent airports from charging landing fees. What the provision does is ensure the transmissions of ADSB data from aircraft are used only for safety purposes and not for invoicing.
▶ 1:39:19The equipage of ADSB out significantly improves aviation safety and is foundational to the many uh to many of the safety provisions that are in the alert act. When more general aviation aircraft equipped with this safety technology, even in airspace that it isn't required, the whole system is going to get safer.
▶ 1:39:40But when airports use ADSB out to issue bills, often erroneously, the trust that safety uh is only used to improve safety is eroded and pilots are discouraged from equipping their aircraft. I want pilots to equip their aircraft. That's what the point of this is. uh give a real quick story of my own. I was doing training in a T6 and it was at night doing engine out training. I was doing touch and goes.
▶ 1:40:08What a touch and go is is you touch down and you immediately take back off again. So, I was doing this at an airport, and I'm not going to name the airport, and I had ADSB out uh equipped in my T6, and I was doing my my training, my touchandgo training. And a week later, I got a bill from the airport for u uh for a landing fee. And so, what that does discourage is pilots not to equip where they don't have to.
▶ 1:40:35I want them to equip even in areas that they don't have to. and safety data should not be used to uh to charge um to charge pilots. That's why I believe that section 105 will ultimately increase the adoption of safety awareness technology um everywhere. Restricting the use of safety technology and information for safety purposes isn't new.
▶ 1:41:00In aviation and in rail, cockpit voice recorders are mounted and mounted cameras can only be used for safety and investigative purposes, never for employee discipline. And just last Congress, we passed an FAA reauthorization law that included a position provision requested by the airports that would protect information that they submit to the FAA about the development implementation of their safety management systems from being disclosed.
▶ 1:41:26We all agree with the airports and others that protecting safety data from exploitation was important to promoting aviation safety. Pilots and aircraft owners are simply asking for the same protections with their own safety technology. The safety case is why NTSB Chair Homdy endorsed the policy preventing ADSB out from being used at air as an airport billing tool um at a recent Senate hearing.
▶ 1:41:52Airports have other tools at their disposal to charge landing fees and I have no doubt they will quickly turn uh to those tools uh to do so. But if you believe that ADSB is an important aviation safety technology and that Congress should be doing everything it can to encourage the adoption of the technology then I would urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment. And with that I yield back. Does anyone else wish to be heard?
▶ 1:42:17Seeing no one, are there any amendments to the Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I.
▶ 1:42:27All oppose signify by saying nay. Any opinion of the chair? The nays have
▶ 1:42:35Mr. Chair.
▶ 1:42:38I'd like to request a recorded vote, The gentleman request for recorded vote on the amendment as previously announced pursuant to committee rule 6. Further proceedings on the question are
▶ 1:42:53What purpose? Miss Hoy seek recognition.
▶ 1:42:56Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I would like to uh submit an amendment.
▶ 1:43:01Please designate.
▶ 1:43:03Okay. Uh thank you Mr. Chairman. Let us designate designate
▶ 1:43:09an amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 offered by Miss Hy of Oregon number 042.
▶ 1:43:16Without objection, the amendment will be considered as red. Miss Hy, um you're recognized for five minutes.
▶ 1:43:21sorry about that.
▶ 1:43:22Thank you, Mr. Chair. My fault. Um so I want to bring attention to yet another preventable aviation tragedy. On January 2nd, a helicopter collided with a slack line, essentially a narrow webbing of suspend suspended high across a canyon near Superior, Arizona, claiming the lives of 60-year-old David McCarti, 24y old Rachel McCarti, 21-year-old Faith Mccardi, and 22year-old Caitlyn Hydeman.
▶ 1:43:53They were on a way their way to a family wedding. David, Rachel, Faith, and Caitlyn were more than the tragedy that took them from us. They were people leading full lives with families, friends, and communities who are living with their loss every day.
▶ 1:44:07David McCarti founded McCarti Logging in his 20s, went on to establish Columbia Basin helicopters, combining his entrepreneurial spirit with the love of a aviation, and he'll be remembered for his work ethic, fearlessness, and unwavering commitment to the things he loved most, his family, the mountains, and the sky. Rachel Mccardi will be remembered for her kind and gentle nature, her dry wit, the patience she showed to herself and others as she mentored them.
▶ 1:44:35She was known as the get it done girl um as she got things done and cared deeply for her family and those around her. Faith Mccardi brought energy and joy everywhere she met me went. She was an athlete who played with intensity and spirit and who loved competition but loved people more. Whether on the court or in the classroom, she had a caring heart and a way of making people feel seen and valued.
▶ 1:45:00Caitlyn Haidman was a scholar who excelled in the classroom, an athlete, and an artist um who uh was accomplished at photography, and she was a farm girl at heart. Those who knew Caitlyn will remember her radiant presence. Her teammate and friends described her as the glue that held people together, pushed them to their best, and a genuine listener. All these people were men and women of strong faith in their Lord and Savior and their lives deserve to be remembered in full.
▶ 1:45:30But the best thing we can do to honor their memory is to work to ensure this doesn't happen to anyone else. Before entering Telegraph Canyon, the pilot had no clear way of knowing that a slack line was strung across the val valley and had no reliable system to alert him to that danger. These lines can be nearly invisible to pilots and are not consistently marked or trapped or communicated through the PI system pilots use the rescue helicopters.
▶ 1:46:01Two of them almost hit the same slack line that that day within those 24 hours. We shouldn't have to wait to uh for a report to begin addressing a threat we already understand. We should have the FAA act now to ensure hazards like this are clearly communicated before lives are put at risk. I recognize the um NTNSB investigation is ongoing and I respect the importance of that work.
▶ 1:46:29We work very closely with you and we know this is important um a priority for NTSB. As that process continues, I want to look at what more we can do now. and I'm withdrawing this amendment today, but we're not walking away from this issue. I remain committed to working with my colleagues on a path forward that better protects pilots and helps prevent another tragedy.
▶ 1:46:54And I just want to acknowledge the family members in the room and watching that, you know, that we are not going to let this fall by the wayside. I thank you uh and yield back. Val, do you wish to withdraw?
▶ 1:47:19I wish to withdraw the amendment.
▶ 1:47:22Without objection, that is so order. Thank you very much.
▶ 1:47:30For purposes, Miss Freriedman seek
▶ 1:47:33I would like to offer an amendment. Uh,
▶ 1:47:36an amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR7613 offered by Miss Freriedman of California number
▶ 1:47:43Without objection, the amendment will be considered as read. You have five
▶ 1:47:47Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Ranking Member Larson. First, I want to acknowledge and thank the families for being with us here today. We've had uh several hearings, some of them closed hearings on this topic and on the tragic accident that happened last year. And I do want to let the families know that the families and the victims were always foremost in everyone's mind and brought up at every single hearing uh numerous times. So your your advocacy has been extremely important.
▶ 1:48:14And I also want to thank all of my colleagues, Republican and Democrat alike, for taking this very seriously and for working in in such a productive and bipartisan way. It's certainly the way that I was hoping Congress would operate when I came here and I'm glad to uh able be able to be a part of that. Uh, I want to offer an amendment that uh I believe is a uh a more uh let's say restrained measure than the one that uh my colleague uh Congressman Carbajal just offered.
▶ 1:48:41Uh this amendment strikes a provision that locks the airports out of collecting critical takeoff and landing fees that are required to improve safety and ensure that operations continue efficiently. I represent the Bur Hollywood Burbank airport, an airport that's been called out by NTSB as being a potential, you know, a site that we have to be concerned about because of the amount of of traffic and the complexity of the airspace. And so I take the safety very very seriously.
▶ 1:49:10Uh, I was also an airport commissioner for six years at that airport before I was um in Congress and understand as well um the importance of making sure that pilots also obey the rules and pay their fees and not skirt the law and try to uh fly in without being noticed so that they don't have to pay landing fees. as well.
▶ 1:49:32I've heard from our county assessor in Los Angeles about the difficulty of um making sure that billionaires in Los Angeles and other places in the country who are flying their own private planes uh are dodging paying their legal taxes are breaking the law and hiding their assets.
▶ 1:49:51And we need a better way certainly for our local cities and our airports to be able to um uh get and retrieve the revenue to which they are entitled under the law so that they can make safety improvements, so that they can put the investments into their air traffic control towers and their equipment and their ADA accessibility and everything else that landing fees are used for for maintenance, for public safety, and you know, when it comes to local taxes for our schools and our roads.
▶ 1:50:21So, I urge my colleagues to support the amendment that's in front of us. It is a reasonable and very uh limited uh amendment, but literally the safety of our airports and the livelihood of our local communities are are really dependent on our ability to know who is flying in and out of airports and to be able to collect revenue from them um under the law. And I would request a voice vote on this. Thank you,
▶ 1:50:44Mr. Nelson.
▶ 1:50:45Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again, I I oppose this amendment. Allowing ADSB data to be used for revenue collection would discourage operators from fully embracing safety technologies, particularly in the general aviation community, and it runs counter to the purpose for which the system was implemented. As we have already discussed, nothing in this provision can limit an airport's ability to access uh to SS fees.
▶ 1:51:10Airports already have a well-established authorities to impose landing fees, user charges, and other airport-based revenue mechanisms. This provision does not interfere with those authorities. It simply ensures that ADSB data is not used as a new backdoor mechanism to identify and charge operators in a way that was never intended when this safety system was put into place. This is a narrow common sense guard rail.
▶ 1:51:38It protects the integrity of safety system while preserving the existing tools airports rely on to fund their operations. I'd like to again reiterate, I said a few minutes ago that NTSB Chairwoman Hammed testified before the Senate that ADSB is a safety tool and should not be used as a revenue generator. The Alert Act ensures the right protections are in place and this amendment seeks to remove those guardrails. I must I strongly oppose this amendment and I urge my colleagues to do the same. I yield back.
▶ 1:52:09Mr. Honor.
▶ 1:52:10Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yeah. Very briefly, this amendment likewise would strike the ADSB privacy provisions including in the included in the underlying bill. In doing so, it would preserve the status quo where increasingly safety technology mandated by Congress is being used for a as a tool for revenue collection. Again, absolutely nothing about section 105 of this bill prevents airports from collecting landing fees.
▶ 1:52:39I cannot imagine that Burbank Airport in California, I've never been there. I cannot imagine they do not have someone on site manning their FBO who can copy down tail numbers. Instead, what striking this provision would do would aircraft owners and operators from adopting ADSB.
▶ 1:53:01As our chairman pointed out with the the alert act, we're only mandating ADSB in under in certain busy airspace. Likewise, the 2020 FAA mandate of ADSB out only mandated ADSB out in very busy airspace. But we would really like to see every pilot in the United States adopt ADSB technology and by using it for things other than safety.
▶ 1:53:30Using it as an invoicing tool by abuses this technology and it undermines the safety purpose of this bill. So I strongly encourage my colleagues to reject this amendment. And with that I yield back. Does anyone else wish to be heard on the I'm I'm not going to speak to it. I think I made my point known. Are there any other any amendments to the amendment?
▶ 1:54:01Seeing none, the question is on question is on the amendment. All those in favor signify by saying I. All opposed signify by saying nay. In opinion of the chair, the naysay have
▶ 1:54:19The naysay do have it.
▶ 1:54:21Could I request a voice vote, please?
▶ 1:54:22A request.
▶ 1:54:25You want a recorded
▶ 1:54:26recorded vote? Still getting over the legislature
▶ 1:54:31The gentle lady requests a a vote on the amendment as previously announced pursuant to committee rule 6F. Uh further proceedings on the question are For what purposes? Uh, Miss Hoy, seek
▶ 1:54:46I have an amendment at the desk.
▶ 1:54:48Please designate
▶ 1:54:50an amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 offered by Miss Hoy of Oregon number
▶ 1:54:56Without objection, the amendment will be considered as read. Miss Hy recognized for five minutes.
▶ 1:55:01Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I rise in support of this amendment which would clearly and unambiguously require that all commercial aircraft equip and operate with integrated ADSB in technology. Now I intend to withdraw it. However, I want to thank Congressman Breznahan, Congresswoman Holmes Norton, and Congressman Greg Stanton for joining me in bringing this forward.
▶ 1:55:26I acknowledge the family and friends uh here today because they have lost loved ones from uh flight 5342 and we can't bring your loved ones back but we can commit to do everything possible that this does not happen again.
▶ 1:55:46Um, and I want to begin there because you all have helped make clear what's at stake here and your advocacy is why we were able to get to where we are with the current alert act. I also want to thank uh Jennifer Hamdy and the NTSB for working so very hard to make sure that this wasn't just another government bill where we, you know, kick the can down the road. We can't afford to do that.
▶ 1:56:16Um, so we need to do something meaningful, meaningful enough to stop it from happening again. Um, now the families I, you know, you all just put out a statement says the families of flight 5 5342 thank the House Armed Services Committee, the House Transportation Infrastructure Committee for their engagement with the NTSB's technical expertise on the Alert Act.
▶ 1:56:40We acknowledge significant progress made to the bill, but equally important to arrest addressing the recommendations is how safety requirements are implemented. Families have learned through painful experience that the recommendations which were there before without firm deadlines and clear mandates become re recommendations without results.
▶ 1:57:02Any safety requirement that routes implementation through a negotiated process, administrative discretion, or multi-step rulemaking creates opportunities for delay that cost lives. The strongest version of this bill will set a clear statutory timeline and performance standards that leave no room for the process to become an obstacle. The families have made it clear what they need from us and we have a responsibility to meet this moment with real action.
▶ 1:57:32I don't want to miss an opportunity to enact the strongest possible safety requirements for a commercial aircraft. ADSBN is a situ situational awareness and surveillance tool for pilots. It's life-saving technology already in use in some aircraft and ready to be deployed now.
▶ 1:57:53When appropriately configured and integrated into the flight deck, it provides pilots with greater advanced warning of potential threat with visual visual audible alerts that indicate position, speed, direction, and altitude of nearby aircraft. This gives pilots time and information to immediately identify a collision and take evasive action. Action that likely would have saved those 67 lives.
▶ 1:58:21The NTSB has run simulations, summaries of which are included in the board's final report, that clearly show AAS XA would have only given an extra 8 seconds of warning to the pilots of PSA flight 5342 compared with 40 seconds for fully integrated ADSBN with a cocktail display of traffic I will continue to insist that any final legislation must appropriately require
▶ 1:58:51ADSB in with a cockpit display of traffic information for any aircraft that is flying in civilian airspace. And um I want to thank you again to the families um to Chair Graves, Ranking Member Larson. And I yield back for the Uh, Rob.
▶ 1:59:14Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Congresswoman Hy, for introducing this amendment. I rise in support and am proud to help introduce this amendment that clearly and simply requires ADSB technology in on all aircraft that already is mandated to have ADSB out. As a helicopter pilot, I rely on ADSB both in and out every single time that I fly. It helps me see traffic, avoid conflicts, and frankly, it helps keep me and other pilots and passengers alive.
▶ 1:59:42Just this past weekend during my flight review, I remember specifically looking at the ADSB in uh in preparation for day for today's uh markup and saw multiple other aircraft inside of the traffic pattern and think about how this could be applicable in each and every one of our lives every single day. Uh less than a month ago, Congress had an opportunity to send a bill that had mandatory ADSB in to the president's desk.
▶ 2:00:09That opportunity was missed despite being supported by a vast majority of the House and unanimous unanimously in the Senate. This was a real disservice to the American people because this is technology that saves lives. I want to take time to acknowledge all the family members and friends, especially those in the room with us here today who lost loved ones in flight 5342's tragic accident. And it's your advocacy up here in Washington on the hill that helped get us to where we are here today.
▶ 2:00:39Without you being here, I'm not sure we would all be in here talking about the Alert Act and the markup in which we're working on. Um, we have a responsibility to do everything we can to prevent tragedies like this from ever happening again. Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to insert their statement in support of this amendment uh into the record that Congresswoman Hy had mentioned earlier.
▶ 2:01:01Without objection.
▶ 2:01:03For those of who are not pilots, ADSB in is technology that provides situational awareness and surveillance that provides pilots greater greater advanced warning of potential threats. It gives visual and audible alerts that indicate the position, speed, direction, and altitude of nearby aircraft, giving pilots the time and information needed to immediately identify a potential collision and take evasive action. It is a new day in aviation. The reality is this is technology that some new pilots are being trained on from day one. This is how modern aviation operates.
▶ 2:01:33ADSBN is proven technology that can be deployed now to save lives. I do want to acknowledge the progress that has been made with the alert act. It is a step in the right direction, but there's certainly more work to be done. I will continue to push to ensure that any final legislation requires ADSB in and delivers the strongest possible safety protections to prevent future accidents and the loss of life. I look forward to continuing to work with you, Mr. Chairman, and all my colleagues to get a package across the finish line that makes our skies safer and saves lives.
▶ 2:02:03uh as well as Chairwoman Hmedy. Um with the recent wake of the most uh the newest accident at LaGuardia, you and your team have been incredible with working with our committee. Uh a small but mighty agency that does incredible work each and every day. With that, I
▶ 2:02:26Thank you very much. Uh Mr. Chairman, I support this amendment led by my colleague, Congresswoman Hy and Congresswoman Breznahan to strengthen ADSBN provisions in the Alert Act. Last January, we tragically lost 67 lives in the mid-air collision between American Airlines flight 5342 and an Army Blackhawk helicopter.
▶ 2:02:50All of us continue to expend extend our deepest condolences to the families who lost loved ones and acknowledge their Tyler's advocacy in the wake of this tragedy. Your advocacy matters and we're so proud of you being here today. Thank you. I want to thank Chairman Graves and Ranky Member Larson for working in a bipartisan manner to address the 50 recommendations made by the National Transportation Safety Board in response to this tragedy.
▶ 2:03:15Congress has a responsibility to do all we can to ensure a tragedy like this one never happens again. The Alert Act makes important and comprehensive progress, but I hope that the bill can be strengthened further to wholly and extensively implement ADSBN technology. Since 2008, the NTSB has recommended 17 times that ADSBN be required in order to enhance safety in our nation's airspace. Safety must always remain all of our highest priority.
▶ 2:03:46The language in the amendment was included in the bipartisan rotor act which did pass the Senate unanimously and received 264 bipartisan yes votes on the House floor. It uses clear direct language to require all aircraft to equip and operate with ADSB in if they are currently required to operate with ADSB out.
▶ 2:04:08As this bill makes its way to the floor, I look forward to working with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to make additional changes and that reflect the full scope and strength of ADSB in recommendations. Thank you for your consideration on this important issue and I yield back. thank you. I strongly support this amendment to strengthen the ADSB requirements in the alert act.
▶ 2:04:40Since since last year's heartbreaking near DCA, we have witnessed countless more reminders of the need to improve aviation safety. All aircraft must be equipped with early warning and surveillance systems and the alert act would make important progress toward that goal.
▶ 2:05:10This technology provides pilots with visual and audible alerts indicating the position, direction, altitude, and speed of nearby aircraft.
▶ 2:05:26However, I am deeply concerned by the number of exceptions to a 2ASB requirements for civilian and military aircraft in the alert act requiring wider ADSB can save lives.
▶ 2:05:48I would like to offer my deepest condolences to the families and friends who lost loved ones on flight 5342 and to commend them for their work to strengthen the alert act. I will continue to work with them to prevent future tragedies and I yield back. Does anyone else wish to be heard?
▶ 2:06:20Seeing no one value recognized.
▶ 2:06:23Um I offer to withdraw my amendment.
▶ 2:06:28Without objection. That's so ordered. Thank you. Thank you, Val.
▶ 2:06:37For purposes, Mr. Figer or seek
▶ 2:06:40Mr. Chairman, I have an amendment at the desk. Please designate
▶ 2:06:45an amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR7613 offered by Mr. Figures of Alabama number
▶ 2:06:52Without objection, the amendment will be considered as read recognized.
▶ 2:06:56Thank you, Mr. Chair. As we consider this legislation, it is important that we recognize the real world implications that seemingly narrow provisions can have on states and local communities across the country. While the underlying bill is certainly well-intentioned, we must also be mindful that broadly drafted language can create unintended consequences, particularly for states that rely on specific data tools to carry out core responsibilities like tax enforcement and revenue collection. In my district and across Alabama, these impacts are not theoretical.
▶ 2:07:25State and local governments depend on access to ADSB data to ensure compliance with property and sales tax laws. My amendment simply preserves that ability, allowing these authorities to continue enforcing existing laws and maintaining fairness in the tax system. Without this clarification, provisions included in section 105, specifically the addition of language from the PAPA act could inadvertently prevent the uses of ADSB data for these purposes. This would result in significant loss of critical revenue.
▶ 2:07:54For Alabama, that loss is estimated at approximately $18.8 million annually. And that is money that is funded directly to our public education trust fund. These are not theoretical numbers. I represent one of the poorest districts in this uh in this nation. Individual median income in my district is just north of $33,000. What do you think public education budgets look like in my district and in my state. And this is not something you just have to take my my word for.
▶ 2:08:22Um as many of you know, Alabama is one of the most Republican states in the country. And I hold a letter that I will enter into the record from our Department of Revenue, from the Alabama Department of Revenue, which says in part that the state of Alabama and its counties and municipalities can incur a total annual fiscal impact of more than $18 million should the alert act become law in its current form. And that is from the commissioner, the head of our Alabama Department of Revenue. Uh you know, these dollars, they flow directly into our education trust fund.
▶ 2:08:51They support our public schools, our teachers, and the resources that keep class sizes manageable and students on track to succeed. At a time when state revenues are already declining, and as many of us know, we've already shifted significant costs uh onto states that they were not budgeting for before uh the big bill. We should be especially cautious about policies that could further reduce funding for education. This amendment does not expand authority. It does not create any new programs, no additional spending.
▶ 2:09:19This simply ensures that states like Alabama can continue use uh using existing tools to enforce their state laws. Our goal should be clear to advance legislation that achieves its intended purpose without undermining the fiscal stability of our states or the educational opportunities of our students. Uh we've heard a lot about the use of NTSB data and how it's a safety tool and I agree it is a safety tool. But you know this tool like many of us can walk and chew gum at the same time. It can be used for multiple purposes.
▶ 2:09:48Never before has the NTSB listed the state collecting revenue as a contributing factor uh to a plane crash uh or any accident. And that is just the that's the realities of it. And this is not just something that affects Alabama. Uh Missouri, North Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, West Virginia, Nebraska, Tennessee, California, Virginia, Kentucky, and Michigan are all states that use this data to generate revenue that is funded to their public education systems. It was no one's intent.
▶ 2:10:16I know by ever joining this committee was to take a vote on something that was going to cut funding to public education. And we have an opportunity to make sure that that does not happen. And I I hear the argument that hey, if you allow this data to be used that pilots would be disincentivized from uh adopting the system.
▶ 2:10:32Well, there's a very simple solution for that because given the gravity of the of the situation, given the gravity of the consequences of what happens when this technology when mandated, if it's not used, it is You take their license if they don't want to adopt it, if they don't want to use it, it's a very simple solution.
▶ 2:10:51You make the punishment as severe as it can possibly be for someone that's not willing to save lives because no one's life is worth assisting someone who can afford a private plane from paying a local tax. We can use this data in multiple ways. And it is something that I encourage uh all of us to to to have that reality. And so it is my hope that we can adopt this amendment. Um I do want to thank everyone for their work uh on this bill.
▶ 2:11:17We know why we're here at the end of the day and it is to prevent future tragedies like the one that cost your families their li your family members and friends their lives. And we are committed to doing just that. This provision has nothing to do with that. And that is why we can allow states to continue to operate the way they have been operating um at least for the the you know for the the better part of the last several decades.
▶ 2:11:42they can use this data to continue to collect that revenue without compromising any form of safety uh to any degree. And with that, I yield back, Mr. Chair.
▶ 2:11:51Mr. Nails.
▶ 2:11:52Yes, sir. Thank you. I I respect my colleague, Mr. Figures, but but I do oppose this amendment. ADSB was developed as a safety tool, not a tax enforcement mechanism. Allowing state local authorities to use ADSB data to enforce property or s or sales tax laws would blur that line and fundamentally change how the system is perceived and used. If ADSB data was the only way for state local authorities to assess taxes, this would be a different discussion.
▶ 2:12:23However, it is not. State localities need to rely on a different uh a different avenue to collect data to assess those taxes. I oppose this amendment. Uh and and thank you. I
▶ 2:12:41Uh Rick,
▶ 2:12:43thank you. Um thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I want to speak to not just Mr. Figer's amendment, but amendment 35 from Representative Freriedman and amendment 61 from Representative Carbajal. Um just a uh reminder section 105 would prohibit public airports from using ASD uh ADSB data to identify aircraft and efficiently uh collect landing or takeoff fees.
▶ 2:13:11And also I also understand that state and local governments are using ADSB out to data to track aircraft sales. And we're going to see a proliferation of new entrance like advanced air mobility which will also necessitate the use of ADSP out by airports so airports know who is um who or what is using them.
▶ 2:13:30Now I want to um if you allow me to disappoint my colleagues uh now um and this is has to do with how we put bills together and this process has advantaged both Democratic majorities on this committee and Republican majorities on on this committee when the leadership of the committee and the subcommittees agree um to vote the same way on amendments in order to maintain the basic the base integrity of the underlying bill.
▶ 2:13:58And so um in that it's called big four agreement and I um because of that uh I am going to oppose all three of those amendments um and but certainly stay open as we move on to continue the discussion with that I'll yield back.
▶ 2:14:16Thanks Rick. Uh does anyone else wish to be heard uh on the amendment? Seeing no one are there any amendments to the Um, seeing none, the question is on the amendment. All those in favor signify by saying I. All oppose signify by saying nay.
▶ 2:14:34It appear the nays have it.
▶ 2:14:36Mr. Chair, request a recorded vote.
▶ 2:14:38The gentleman requests a recorded vote on the amendment as previously announced pursuant to committee rule 6f. Further proceedings on the question are postponed. I would ask unanimous consent uh to enter into the record uh the work done by the NTSB's analysis uh that confirms that the amendment in the nature of a substitute of the alert act responds to all 50 uh recommendations um that were offered up.
▶ 2:15:02And with that, we're going to uh briefly recess so everybody can get back to the uh hearing room so that we can vote on the u the recorded amendment votes and then on uh final passage. So, um, staff, get your member back in the room. Uh, we're in recess.
▶ 2:17:25Heat. Heat.
▶ 2:18:23There we go.
▶ 2:19:14Heat. Heat.
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▶ 2:25:32Do you care if I Go ahead.
▶ 2:25:34Yeah, go ahead.
▶ 2:25:37The committee will come back to order.
▶ 2:25:44I want to I want to take just a moment um before we reconvene um for a uh a moment of privilege, I guess, um before we continue to uh with a postponed vote. And the reason for that is I want to acknowledge and thank a very dedicated staffer of the aviation Um Julie Divine um started in my personal office. She served as my legislative director.
▶ 2:26:13She came to the committee to work on FAA reauthorization and she has served as the staff director of the aviation subcommittee for the past year. Um throughout her career, she has been an absolute dedicated member uh of my team even to the to the very end. And Julie is leaving us this month. In fact, I think this is this the last day. Wow. This is the last day.
▶ 2:26:37Um in fact, she delayed her family's vacation so that she could be here um to uh to be at this markup and see this piece of legislation through uh through committee. But she's a fierce advocate. She's a trusted staffer and uh and a mentor that we're is going to be missed by uh by all of us. And Julie, I want to thank you for your service.
▶ 2:27:00And I know that we are all wishing you the very best in your next career, which um I'm sure is going to be very lucrative. Thank you. Yeah. Troy, Troy wanted to make
▶ 2:27:21uh Yes, sir. Uh I couldn't agree uh with you more, chairman, and and Julie, you have been wonderful. It's been a great experience working with you. Consider, you know, you're a trusted adviser, a problem solver, and a friend uh to so many of us. Her institutional knowledge, relentless work ethic, and her commitment to public service have earned her the respect of members and staff alike. She's got a 10 pound brain. big big brain.
▶ 2:27:46While we are sad to see her leave this committee, we are incredibly proud to see her take this next step with Rolls-Royce. She said we'll get a ride when she gets one from Rolls-Royce. Well, she will continue to shape the future of aerospace innovation. There is no doubt that the same dedication and excellence she brought to the public service will now benefit the broader aviation industry. So Julie, thank you for your service, your leadership, your friendship.
▶ 2:28:11This subcommittee, this house, and the entire aviation community are better because of your contributions, and we wish you continued success in your next chapter. Thank you,
▶ 2:28:45Just just a real quick story. When Julie had her uh her first child, um she was on maternity leave and I had a question that only she could answer. She's the only person that that knew the answer. And I called her and she read me the Riot Act. She had been up all night long with her new baby and it was sick and uh and Julie basically said, "The hell are you calling me for? I'm on maternity leave." I said, "I'm sorry.
▶ 2:29:13I'm sorry." So, with that, thank you for your, again, thank you for your service. Um, I do appreciate it. The committee previously postponed proceedings on uh the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR 7613. The question is now on the amendment to the amendment in the nature of a substitute to HR7613 previously postponed. First we have amendment 61 offered by Mr.
▶ 2:29:40Carbajal of California which a recorded vote was ordered which a recorded uh which was not agreed to by voice vote. Is a recorded vote still ordered? A recorded vote is requested. Members will record their votes using the electronic voting system. The chairman intends to vote no. Ranking member vote Open the board.
▶ 2:30:33jury coming.
▶ 2:30:45Close the board and report the total. Mr. Chairman, on that vote there are 27 yays and 36 nazs. I voted 27 yays and 36 nazs. The amendment is not agreed to. Next amendment number 35 offered by Miss Freriedman in California which recorded vote was ordered which was not agreed to by voice voters.
▶ 2:31:10A recorded vote still Yes. Recorded vote is still ordered. Uh members are going to record their votes using the electronic voting system. The chairman intends to vote no.
▶ 2:31:26Frank will vote no.
▶ 2:31:28Open the board. Is everyone voted wish to be recorded?
▶ 2:31:58Seeing no one, does anybody wish to change their vote? Seeing none, close the board. Report the
▶ 2:32:05Mr. Chairman, on that vote, there are 27 yays and 36 nazs.
▶ 2:32:09I voted 27 yays, 36 nazs. The amendment is not agreed to. Next, amendment 52 offered by Mr. Figures of Alabama in which a recorded vote was ordered. Which was not agreed to by voice voter. Is a recorded vote still requested?
▶ 2:32:25Yes, a recorded vote is still requested. Um, members will record their votes using the electronic voting system. The chairman intends to vote no.
▶ 2:32:34Rank will vote no.
▶ 2:32:37Open the board.
▶ 2:33:11everyone been recorded that wishes to be Seeing no one, does anyone wish to change your vote? Seeing none, close the board and report the total.
▶ 2:33:26Mr. Chairman, on that vote, there are 25 yays and 38 nazs.
▶ 2:33:30I voted 25 yays and 38 nazs. The amendment is not agreed to.
▶ 2:33:37The question is now on the amendment and the nature of a substitute to HR 7613 as amended. All those in favor signify by saying I. All oppose signify by saying nay. The eyes have it. The amendment in the nature of substitute as amended is agreed to. The question is now on the adoption of and favorable reporting of HR 7613 as amended to the House of Representatives. All those in favor signify by saying I.
▶ 2:34:02I. All oppose signify by saying nay.
▶ 2:34:05Mr. Chair. Go ahead.
▶ 2:34:08Ask for recorded vote when you get there. A recorded vote has been A recorded vote has been requested. Members will record their votes using the electronic voting system. Chairman intends to vote yes.
▶ 2:34:21Real vote yes.
▶ 2:34:22Open the board. This system is so much better.
▶ 2:34:55Clerk, close the board and report the
▶ 2:35:00Mr. Chairman, on that vote, there are 62 yays and zero nazs.
▶ 2:35:05My vote is 62 yays, zero nazs. The bill as amended is agreed to and order favorably reported to the house. Without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
▶ 2:35:18Thank you all for participating in today's markup. I'd ask unanimous consent that each measure ordered reported today be reported as a single amendment in the nature of a substitute incorporating any amendments adopted. And without objection, that is so ordered. I'd ask unanimous consent that the staff be authorized to make all necessary technical clarifying and conforming changes to each of the measures ordered reported today to reflect the actions of the committee without objection that is so ordered.
▶ 2:35:40Pursuant to House Rule 22 clause one, I'd ask unanimous consent that the chairman or his designate be authorized to offer such motions as may be necessary to the House to go to conference with the Senate on the legislation adopted today or any similar measure without objection as so ordered.
▶ 2:35:54I'd ask unanimous consent that the chairman after consultation with the ranking member have authority to strike or revise any provision of measures ordered reported today that would cause a sequential referral to another committee or that would cause the bill to go or to be subject to a budget act or rule 21 cut go point of order and without objection that is so ordered. Pursuant to House Rule 11, clause 2L, I'd ask unanimous consent that all members of the committee have at least two calendar days and wish to file any supplemental, minority, additional, or desending views on the legislation adopted today.
▶ 2:36:24And without objection, that is so ordered. Pursuant to rule six of the rules of the committee on transportation infrastructure, I note the presence of a quorum for all actions taken on committee business today. And with that, the committee on transportation infrastructure has completed its business. The committee is now adjourned.